Oh man! Do not get me started on TSA, what a load of shit! Flying was once a pleasurable experience, that has now become worse than a bus ride in a shit hole country. I don't care if I never do it again. My wife was strip searched on her last flight to N. Carolina via Washington. WTF! Sandy Hook school should be free to implement metal detectors if they deem it is needed. Other measure could have stop that guy too. A grown guy with a long gun sure as hell stands out among 1st graders even without a metal detector. I am not saying don't use them, but we need to stop this crap of running everything from Washington. You know this as well as anyone.
I know a certain someone is going to insult me and call me names but I would just like to point out that many of these dipshits shoot people on school grounds before they enter the building. Also kids lined up for metal detectors would make a very nice target. Metal detectors help but are not a solution. Also there have been shootings at airports before the person reaches metal detectors. It depends on what the shooters objective is. Metal detectors help to keep bad guys off of planes but does not help to keep them out of the airport. This would also apply to schools. If a dipshit really wants to get into the school he would just wait in line and then shoot the person operating the metal detector. Or just start shooting people waiting in line and then walk past the metal detector.
Yep. A man can only offer and you have to be very careful with that. Even more care if they want the help.
Well we're coming to the obvious. Crazy fucks will do something crazy. Are AR15s too easy and glamorous? Is that the problem?
Well, my neighbor had a 25/20 auto way back. Held 14 round in the tube magazine. Hell today you can have a .22 with a 110 round drum. That has been available for more than 40 years. But you ask a good questions about glamorous! What is that? Where does it come from? Games?
The metal detectors won't go off when the mass shooter brings the gun through? You'd think they'd have a guard with a gun not in direct sight of the metal detectors, in case.
Haha. We have evidence the metal detectors work in schools. Where they are used, violence is cut in half, if not more. We have evidence of mass shooters standing at airports and those schools gunning down the people in line. Yes, dog, the bad guys can just drop a nuke and get all the schools within a wide area. So don't do anything known to actually help.
If the metal detector isn't guarded, then you can just walk around it or put the gun overtop/alongside it. But it probably doesn't matter much if the detector goes off or not. Swat team wouldn't be called out when the detector goes off - otherwise they'd be there every time some kid wore a too-large belt buckle or forgot to take their cell phone out of their pocket. Two guards plus a metal detector would provide some additional safety, it's true. Might drive up your taxes, though. barfo
It's too bad you can't follow the scenario. The guard was there. He got shot. Now the detector is unguarded. barfo
No, because there's no reason to. If you want to kill people in an airport, you don't have to get past TSA. And if you want to get to the planes, you know that once you get past TSA via gunfire the flights will all be grounded. If you want to get inside a school to shoot your classmates, and the barrier to doing so is one guy at the metal detector, he gets shot. barfo
Show me some facts instead of imagining how crimes that never happen (in the real world) would happen. The facts are the schools that have metal detectors (and use them) aren't the ones where these mass shootings occur. The ones that use them also have reduced on campus crime by a huge amount. And you have... "I would stand behind a tree and use my sniper rifle to shoot all the cops." How about we cross that bridge if it ever happens and in the meantime, save lives and keep the kids much safer?
pretty simple solution. First thing about security is to not over think it. Chain link fence around the perimeter. Corridor from walk to front door. Guard station at walk. guard behind bullet proof glass to allow into building. Guard at metal detector. Pass through , present valid student ID, go to class. If you do not belong on campus, you do get to stay.
I'm sure they do reduce crime. But crime generally is not what we are discussing here. And I doubt your 'mass shootings don't happen where there are detectors' is statistically valid, even if it is accurate. How many schools are there in the US? What fraction have detectors? How many schools have there been mass shootings at? Like I said several posts ago, I don't have any objection at all to metal detectors. They aren't likely to solve the mass shooter problem. barfo
The bottom line is the shooter in Parkland walked into the school with a long gun in a case without any resistance at all. He wasn't even a student. People with guns were free to come and go. ANYONE free to come and go. You would make it easy for him. And denying the facts or using your twisted logic doesn't make a good argument. If you could come up with a school (or anyplace for that matter) where they used TSA style screening of people entering where they used your dreamt up scenario to any effect, you might have a point.
