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Interesting. Earlier, you were claiming that licensure regulations are clearly ineffective because 1.3M people die per year from auto accidents.

Yet this CDC factsheet you posted indicates that the actual number of auto deaths is more like 35,000 (based on the 10,265 DUI related deaths being 29% of the overall total)


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So, is that a sufficiently low enough number to suggest that perhaps licensure requirements might actually provide public health value? Or are you sticking to your guns on this one?

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My bad. I may have misunderstood the source I used. The 1.3M is worldwide.
http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safety-facts/road-crash-statistics

However, I don't see much of a difference, deaths per 100K population, from the early years before licensing (1920s, 1930s) to the present. In fact, given the focus of automakers on vehicle safety, it's difficult to show any public health value to licensing at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

The CDC fact sheet sure looks like drunk driving hasn't declined much at all since 1993, the year the CDC started keeping the data.

 

Per your Wikipedia link, deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled seem to have declined pretty steadily throughout the past century and have been holding relatively steady since 2009. I think 1 death per 100M miles is a pretty amazing statistic, honestly.

 

Like I said, cars have gotten safer. How many deaths saved can we attribute to windshield wipers? That's one of many safety features added to cars over the years. My car has a crush proof/resistant passenger cabin and other features designed to make it so you can drive the car away from most accidents.

Your 1 death per 100M miles is equivalent to gun homicide stats, FWIW.

Also, it's way easier for a population of 300M to get 100M miles than it is for a population of 150M.

 

They're not regulations.

They're criminal penalties and civil liability.

People drive drunk no matter what laws you pass. That's your problem; for your argument.

 

A lot of people think it's fascist.

It really should be up to the bar owners, no? If people don't want the smoke, they can go somewhere else, and the bar loses money.

Free market rules.

 

Interesting claim. How are they equivalent?

 

~300M cars/guns, ~35,000 deaths.

I wouldn't count suicides in my methodology, which would radically change the equivalency. People who want to kill themselves will find a way, and there are plenty of easy ones. Jump off a bridge, etc.

21,000 suicides by gun included in those 35K. So ~12K gun homicides/accidents otherwise.

Like with cars, the VAST majority of guns and owners do not shoot and/or kill people.

 

The ~300M cars travel over 3T miles per year. Unless the ~300M guns are firing over 3T cartridges and only resulting in ~35K fatalities, there's really no equivalency here (by my estimation).

 

There are certainly 10s of billions of rounds of ammo in circulation and 12 billion sold each year.

12B / 12K = 1,000,000 bullets per homicide.

Not sure your miles traveled is equivalent.

I've seen claims of trillions of rounds. I chose the least number I found.

 

Free market rules, public health drools?

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