Politics Florida school shooting: Armed officer 'did not confront killer'

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  1. Nate

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    I know you’re trying, but can you try harder?

    I’m not entirely sure, but I don’t think the WWE people use knives in their stunts.
     
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    Training? The teacher's money, if the teacher voluntarily chooses to engage in said training. Nothing is mandatory, so the school is not paying.
    Make sure everyone knows who has a gun? No--not necessary at all. In fact, that would partially defeat the purpose. Better for all potential offenders to not know who might be armed, and assume anyone could be.
    No costs would need to be borne by the school to simply allow teachers to be armed.

    I don't see why there needs to be a chronology. This seems to be an issue that deserves many corrective actions simultaneously.

    Again, no burden on teachers. The notion is to grant liberty to teachers. Allow them to provide for their own and their students' defense if they're so inclined and qualified.

    No argument on the last sentence. But I see no reason why they need be mutually exclusive.
     
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    I wonder how many stories there would be about armed teachers savind students from terrorists had trump been president during columbine
     
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    So teachers should be armed like cops now? Have bullet proof vests, helmets and access to loads of guns?

    I really doubt that the kid who goes into a school is worried about dying or being deterred. They're past that point in their minds.

    it's why the VAST majority of school shooters don't make it out alive. They're in for suicide mission
     
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    So, we don't allow some teachers the option to protect themselves because others who wouldn't want to might get vilified? Yeah, that doesn't quite track for me.
     
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    What if the plane landed on a school? What if a passender had a concealed 9mm? Could have pop'd the terrorists in the face and pilot could have landed happily. This is all assuming 9/11 wasnt a false flag ofcourse
     
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    What stops them from targeting teachers now?
     
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    I think that is completely wrong. Allowing teachers to be armed in their schools would invite huge liability. There would have to be some sort of certified and supervised training. Once those standards were set the school district would have to pay for them to be met. It would be an extension of continual education for teachers, which is either paid for or reimbursed by school districts.

    Also students would quickly know who is packing because the weapon would have to be on the teachers at all times. Anything else would be a huge security problem and pretty much defeats the reason for teachers to be armed.
     
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    Sad you made the decision to answer this way.
    Sad you refused to answer the question.
     
  10. Nate

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    Man, you know you’re fucking up when you start talking shit to the most level headed, reasonable person here.
     
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    Here's an interesting recent article on the concept. Seems like there are a lot of districts who already permit teachers to carry. As with any controversial idea, there are valid arguments on both sides.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-school-armed-20180222-story.html
     
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    But in the WWE people do go at their opponent one by one.
    Why you couldn't figure out the correlation is just silly.


    I don't think you know what talking shit means.
    Perhaps a dictionary will help you.
     
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    I apologize--I responded based on where I thought the questions were leading, but I'll go ahead and answer your questions directly.
    • Do you think the teachers at the school are called irresponsible?
      • By some, yes. I'd disagree with those who make that characterization, but yes, those people would exist.
    • Do you think they receive death threats? That they're told they weren't doing their job?
      • Death threats? Unlikely, but theoretically possible. Told they weren't doing their job? By some, yes. I'd disagree with that characterization as well.
    • Do you see them receiving any backlash at all?
      • Yes, backlash would be possible, as is always the case with controversial situations.
     
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    Disappointing my circles gif didn't work on this website.
    Oh well.
     
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    I’m not sure what effect you were going for with “sad” then. Seems like an insult.
     
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    I didn't take it that way. More like "disappointing".
     
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    I read through this thread. Some good takes (Brian is stand out). Some of the usual BS.

    This guy makes me sick. The fact that the Police were watching on scene security video that was twenty minuets delayed makes me sick. The killer was gone while cops reacted to something that had happened twenty minuets before hand. The killer was at the mall getting a soft drink before anyone figured it out.

    Forget the debate. The system failed these kids.
     
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    I'd lay you 5 to 1 that if a full staff refused to carry. The people who believe teachers should carry, would be calling for the jobs of every staff member.
    Shit I listened to a parent yesterday say to a teacher. 'I pay taxes, therefore I'm indirectly your boss. So shut up and listen to what I say.'

    I'd also say that this would force the same shortage that is effecting youth sports.
     
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    I respect your position, and I don't doubt that there would be a very small vocal minority who would say something to that effect. However, the existence of that small vocal minority doesn't impact my opinion.
     
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    They choose the school because 9 times out of 10 the students who picked on them are there. They know that school is the best place to get back at all of them because 1 they are all there, and 2 there is no way to defend from a shooter at school because it is a gun free zone. Take away part 2 and it will deter a lot of them. They cant get revenge on everyone at once. Sure, there may still be revenge shootings at the bus stop but with simply allowing teachers who choose to exercise their constitutional rights you have hindered mass school shootings dramatically. Its a quick partial solution that can actually be implemented right now.

    What is the liberal alternative? Ban bump stocks? It has been proven time and time again you dont need bump stocks to spray bullets. You saved no one. You can alter a ruger 10 .22 into full auto with a dremel and a little know how by the way. Banning a useless accesory saves no one. And banning guns altogether only stops law abiding citizens from gun ownership. The solutions offered are either unrealistic, unconstitutional, or useless. Or all 3.

    I think im siding with president trump on this one.
     

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