OT Transgender wrestler

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  1. Mediocre Man

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    http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/ar...tle?sf182987459=1&sf183000759=1&sf183008868=1

    This has an oportunity to turn ugly, but I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on this.

    Mack is booed after beating the girls in wrestling, but Mack wants to wrestle boys. Texas will not let Mack wrestle boys though.

    My issue is the PEDs Mack is taking to transform. Even if Mack was allowed to wrestle boys, Mack should be ineligible because of the drugs consumed to transform.

    What say you?
     
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    uh... I am lost for words....
     
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    There’s a first.......:cool2:
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    Im more surprised that there are girls and boys divisions in wresting. From my memory everyone wrested everyone and all the guys hated it when they had to wrestle a girl because you either "beat a girl or were beat by a girl"
     
  5. Mediocre Man

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    To me there is a simple fix. In a lot of states it goes by weight and not sex. That solves that problem. The PED use would make an athlete ineligible though, in my book. Girls wanting to be boys, boys wanting to be girls....I say be happy. However, there are consequences for things.
     
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    So he was born a girl and is transitioning to a boy. Wants to wrestle as a boy. But Texas passed a law in 2016 that makes it so he has to wrestle as a girl? Seems like it's Texas that needs to change its law.

    As far as the drug thing go there is a difference from drugs prescribed by a physician and drugs taken illegally to improve performance. The drugs he's taking are for his transition, not to make him a better wrestler.
     
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    I would tend to agree. Would biologically-male wrestlers be permitted to compete while using the same substances? If not, then it seems unfair to permit this wrestler to do so.

    However, I would also say that if the decision is made to allow trans-gender therapies as an exception from PED regulation, then only cis-females should wrestle in the "girls" division.
     
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    Doesn't matter the reason. Still getting an advantage from them.
     
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    So the kid is following the law and doctor's orders but he should be punished for that? Seems like this is problem was created by the state of Texas, they should be the one who solve it.
     
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    At some point it seems government must admit, this is above and beyond normal duty. We have no role. Sort of like they have no role in a Circus show.
    Better done by the ticket sales.
     
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    I guess it comes down to the Testosterone levels overall. Would a teenage boy be considered to be on PED because his glands are squirting testosterone into his body at a huge rate? If this wrestler's t-levels are the same as a teenage boy's, then there's no advantage.
     
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    Agreed--I was revising my own stance as you posted that.

    Agreed. Texas should change the rule. If you're born a male, you compete against boys. If you identify as male, you compete against boys. If you're taking testosterone to transition to male, you provide medical documentation showing that your testosterone levels are within the average teenage male biological range, and you compete against boys.

    If you were born female, identify as female, and are taking no performance-enhancing substances (prescribed or otherwise), then and only then do you compete against girls.

    I don't think it's all that complicated, honestly.
     
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    He should be allowed to compete as a boy. Simple as that. Essentially he's taking steroids to aid his transition so it makes no sense for him to compete against girls.
     
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    These laws aren't about being reasonable, they are about making it so trans people can't do anything in public, about chipping away at freedoms until they "conform" to their birth-assigned gender or... disappear in whatever way that probably involves suicide or exodus.
     
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    I'm not sure? I know they tried it in the past
     
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    Totally makes sense given how much the worship HS football. Gotta keep it clean and fair.
     
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    I agree. Mack has done nothing wrong. I know at my sons school, kids have been thrown off the team for being caught with PEDs.
     
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    Ya. Like I said, Mack's not at fault, but the situation is a bit more complicated that wrestling a certain gender. A known user of steroids shouldn't be able to compete.
     
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    From your article, "Beggs is in the process of transitioning from female to male and taking a low dose of testosterone."

    Yes testosterone is considered a steroid but it is not a steroid that is abused for an athletic advantage.

    Testosterone will not enhance athletic performance and should not be used for that purpose.

    https://www.drugs.com/testosterone.html

    Also testosterone is used in some asthma inhalers, which again, is being prescribed by a doctor.
     
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