OT Sunday School time? or Science?

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Would you mind elaborating?
     
  2. rasheedfan2005

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    The force is a twist off of Buddhism. I was leaning that way after graduating public liberal school. They push the eastern philosophies hard.
     
  3. MarAzul

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    Well I just mean, I don't see anything wrong with embracing much of the Christian Religion, especially the teaching and philosophy of Jesus. As well as some thought expressed by followers of other religions. But then not accepting all things from any one religions. In my view, being a Christian does not require you to accept the stories in the old Testament as truth. So the Jews had a story about the beginning of man as told in the days of Moses. It is just the way it was, in my view. The Jewish religion is what Christianity began from, that what Jesus sot to reform, and he did.

    I find your thoughts of our being more like mine. And just a valid as any others. So I can not claim to be a Christian but I admire their recommended ways to live a life. I consider them brothers. Hindus and Buddhist too.
     
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  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I think I tend to have issues when people try to push their beliefs on others... either philosophically or with violence. If someone wants to believe in one religion, cool, I have no problem with that. I can't tell them they're wrong. I have no idea what's right or wrong. The Christians might be right. The Buddhists might be right. I can't prove or disprove any one of them.

    I lean towards what you said. They all have their good points and their bad points. What never made sense to me is the people who claim to follow Jesus, but seem to have completely missed the entire point of him telling us to love each other. It seems awfully disingenuous to ignore the most important one of his teachings, and focus in on some bullshit about gay people, or abortion, or sex education, etc etc etc. To me, the whole point is to love your fellow man and let God do the judging when it's all said and done. That's the part that always bothered me about a lot of Christians.
     
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    Sorry, I can't make sense of that.

    All of that is true, but not terribly relevant to the discussion. All living things die, too. In the end, entropy wins out, but that doesn't mean that it wins at every moment along the way.

    barfo
     
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  6. MarAzul

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    Well, I fear some Christians have not bought or understood all the teachings of Jesus. Some still remember the parts in the Torah that Jesus was about reforming.
    But I sure don't think you will find a consensus of opinion on my take. However, there sure is a conflict that I am not about to worry about.
     
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    Give me proof that entropy doesnt work. Yes animals eat to sustain but they still get old and die. I eat a lot of food (energy) and ive yet to evolve wings even though the TSA is a pain in my ass and i wish to adapt.
     
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    Entropy works fine, it is your understanding of it that doesn't work.

    You need to believe to make it true. Have faith, and you will have wings.

    barfo
     
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    Nothing explodes. Creates chaos. Which evolves into order. Which then devolves into chaos. And it's all psyintifical fact thus saith barfo. I envy your faith to believe that.
     
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    The oceans are dead.

    /thread
     
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    Completely and unequivocally wrong. That's more like Lamarckism, then Darwin's model.

    Since extinction is the norm throughout history, rather than the exception, evolutionary theory posits that life is always mutating, but that most mutations are adaptive "dead ends" or don't offer any survival advantages. But when a mutation is advantageous, it leads to greater odds that the mutation gets passed on the next generation and over very long time horizons, out-competes organisms that don't have the adaptive advantage.
     
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    How does mutation resolve mass extinction events? Like a meteor strike. I don't see how Darwin/Evolution suggests which species survive those.
     
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    The planet determines that....oceans being where more species survived....of course that was before you declared them dead
     
  14. Denny Crane

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    You cannot have a complete theory of Evolution without accounting for mass extinction events. If not for the one that killed the dinosaurs (as best we know), the dinosaurs would still be the dominant species on the planet and humans might not even exist.
     
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    Large dinosaurs couldn't eat after the vegetation was seriously devastated...ice froze many out from the darkening of the planet after impact...if a living creature lived underground or in the ocean....they probably had a better chance of survival
     
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    but they do...duh
     
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    Because of a meteor, not just because of Evolution.
     
  18. Denny Crane

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    Dinosaurs ate just fine for 250M years.

    Humans have been around for ~2M.
     
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    I don't see the argument you're trying to make here....it's because of both ...not one or the other
     
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    And we're still here.....for the present at least....winning!
     

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