Politics Oregon assault weapons ban petitioners turn in signatures

Let's not demean the Stuttering Therapy Center's track team.

 

Frankly, I know you are not stupid. By taking guns from responsible owners will have zero effect on the criminal element you are concerned with.

 

No, I don't want to take guns away from those who are and will remain responsible. But I don't see any way around tightening the laws. e.g. No sales to those under 21; No bump stocks; No AR-15 type assault weapons; Closing the gun sale loophole; Registering all firearms at the point of any sale; Smaller magazine capacity; No sales to those who are significantly mentally handicapped.

Responsible gun owners are going to have to be limited by as many of these provisions as possible the way we say such things as an open alcoholic container while driving is prohibited even though some drivers are responsible or cars can't have those things on the hood so that pedestrians can't be hurt even worse when struck by the front of the car.

 

Lanny, my man, I just dont get you...how can you as a fellow Vet, say that a 18 year old is old enough to vote, go to war and die for his or her country, yet if they happen to return to civilian life, they should be denied the right to own a rifle?

Bump stock are as goofy as a chain saw attachment, there are far better ways to convert to full auto.

You of all people should know that an AR15 is more of a style of rifle, like a Harley , that can be personalized to ones taste. These single shot rifles are a long way off from being an assault rifle, like an M16 etc etc.

Smaller clips are purely a feel good, and not a fix. I have to believe that we both can change clips at a rapid rate.

And, of course, those that show a propensity toward anti social or violent behavior, criminal back ground showing committing of a crime in the position of a firearm or mental instability should be highly scrutinized and denied if deemed necessary.

 

and how do you know that? Sitting back and doing nothing certainly hasn't changed it has it? They aren't proposing taking guns they are proposing certain guns. Let's give it a try as it seems to have helped in other countries. Will it end gun violence? No, but if it reduces it then it is a win for everyone. Gun owners still get to keep legal guns.

 

When I got back from the war I was not old enough to buy a beer in San Diego..had to go to Mexico to drink...and the last thing I wanted to do was purchase a weapon....I didn't see it as a huge infringement on my age....if it keeps a high school kid from easily purchasing one...I think it needs to be looked at from the greater good perspective...and I don't include manually chambered hunting rifles or shotguns in the conversation....also when I returned from the war I don't recall any mass shootings stateside in schools, churches, movie theaters or concerts....times they are a changin'

 

Do you know what the odds are that you'll ever be shot, let alone by an AR-15? You people need to focus your energy elsewhere. I swear to god, if they actually reported on every single car accident that happened every day nobody would want to drive. You are significantly more likely to be in a car wreck. I have been in four separate car wrecks, none of which were my fault, in my lifetime. I have never been shot or shot at. Not once. I have been around a lot of guns in my lifetime. Never seen someone shot, never felt the urge to shoot at another human being. There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country, and yet the number of people who are shot every year is a fraction of a percent. The number of people who are killed by drunk drivers or just plain negligence is staggering. You guys are fixated on the wrong thing.

 

No option for outright civil war?!?

 

If the possibility is so remote then why are those type of weapons a necessity? There are plenty of other options. Your argument seems to support that these type of weapons aren't necessary as the gun advocates that say they need them for protection (which by your words aren't necessary) then why not try restrictions on what can be sold and purchased? Plenty of options for those that want to hunt or feel they need protection.

 

It's pretty far from fixation.....it's addressing something...personally I never drive on holidays or in heavy traffic...I have no need to so I minimize my risk...I've been hit by a drunk driver on interstate 80 outside Sacramento on Christmas eve....I've also had 3 guns held to my head in Denver for the 14 dollars in my wallet...all 3 kids who robbed me were caught...all were under 16 years old...gun violence here is beyond acceptable and gun laws work in other countries to maximize safety of society....my point about gun control is that guns just plain don't make people safe...in too many cases they end up in the hands of folks experiencing rage or suicidal thoughts. This conversation needs to be aired out with the long term goal of a peaceful society to enjoy.

 

Well this is clearly on of those issue where we know the SCoUS would strike it down as a clear case of infringement. Take years though before it would be settled
So those that go for this disingenuous tactics of obviously ignoring the Constitution, are people you know you can not trust. Or respected for that matter.
It is simply out of bounds and they know it, but do not care.

 

A disrespectful post about respect? Belongs in the oxymoron thread! You're saying anyone from overseas that cannot speak English or read it cannot be trusted? I doubt even Canadians spend much time contemplating our Constitution Marz

 

Yes I prefer a weapon that a single shot will usually do for many uses. The 270 Winchester Model 70 and the 308 Savage lever action are couple of my favorites
along with a sweet little Browning knock off of the old model 92 Winchester, except it shoots the .357 rounds instead of 32-20. But these are not good enough for all uses.

1. When I was running my ranch in NE Oregon, I took it on to encourage geese to nest there. The first year I had one pair that did indeed raise a batch of goslings.
I raise the capacity of the pond to about 5 feet deeper and that resulted in a bit more area, moving the edge right over close to a grain field on either side of the pond.
The Cattails had to readjust to the new, but they did quickly.

Well anyway those Geese and their young returned the next spring and they all setup camp. I had 5 nesting pair that summer. They had grain right there and were doing well.
I kept a close eye on them as the Coyotes were too. Then the dang Coyotes got one young one. Dammit!
The next evening I set up watch over the Grain field from a hill side about 300 yards off. Sure enough, the pack of Coyotes game sneaking in from the far side maybe 550 yards off,
working their way very stealthy toward the feeding young. The Ganders were on Duty but they could not see the Pack sneaking through the Wheat.

The geese were maybe 275 yards from me, so I let the coyotes come to just over 300 as I judged it. Then I opened up, rapid fire with a 30 round magazine in the Ranch Rifle.
Dropped Two of the seven before they knew what the fuck was up, then they turned tail. On their way out, I dropped one more.
I did not see the coyotes in the area again that year. Not sure how many geese I had practicing flight training that fall but it was sort of cool to watch then get ready to migrate.
I was damned pleased.

Yes, a whole bunch returned and we did the same drill on the next batch of Coyotes next season and the next. We lived there seven years before we then moved to Bandon.
Probably had over 200 pairs of nesting geese calling that ranch home. I don't think I could have done it without that Mini14 Ranch Rifle.
It works about like an AR-15, might not be quite as bad looking, but still...

2. Now I could tell you another story of why you need some serious fire power on a boat too. But I will leave that story for another day.
I will just say the threat of being well armed is usually enough to win the day. It will be the shits when the bad guys know we legally, cannot be well armed.

 

This was my favorite rifle ...my father had one I borrowed in my hunting days

 

Bull! When you put forth what you want as law, and you know does not comply with the Constitution, you disrespect it and all those that do cherish the rule of law.

 

I bought it new 62 years ago, before I was 21 years old. Nice rifle, but I do like the 250/3000 and the 300 a bit better. Both adequate for deer,
which I never hunt these days.

 

I see my choice is not in the poll.
I think it would be an honor to challenge this law up through the Supreme Court.

 

Because the kind of protection that they provide is not from an intruder, or a rapist, but from the government..... which was the entire point of the second amendment in the first place.