I'm So SICK & TIRED of Neil Olshey

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  1. noknobs

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    Who do we plan on getting with that TPE? Not many teams are willing to part with talented players for cap space.
     
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    Everyone’s looking to dump money. The Crabbe TPE is a pretty significant one.

    If we’re talking specific names, Courtney Lee.
     
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    Lee is alright, would be decent off the bench. Rather try to find a scorer with that TPE though. We haven’t had a legit 6th man since Mo Williams.
     
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    Lee is better than him.
     
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    Our team gets better every season. I remember missing the playoffs year after year while going from coach to coach to coach to GM to GM to GM...
     
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    I don’t disagree, my point is we haven’t had a Guy off the bench who can score since Mo. All of our bench players are mainly accessories to the starting lineup. Think about it, one of Dame or CJ are ALWAYS on the floor because we don’t have ANYONE who can put the ball in the basket on their own.
     
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    Oh 100%. I’m just saying Lee is a good scorer. He’d be an ideal sixth man imo.
     
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    I think the answer to that question is the whole key to the summer and whether or not Olshey will be able to fix this.
     
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    Olshey's public comments don't seem to reflect the urgency surrounding two key pieces of information:

    1. The two pillars of his roster are in the middle of their respective primes. They may add small flavors to their games but this is it.
    2. The roster, as constructed, is not on any sort of path to contention. (some fans of the team may debate this. people outside of the organization won't.

    If it's August and it's still 'culture, incremental development, small moves...', it might be time for Kolde et al at Vulcan to start looking at other options at GM.
     
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    Sounds to me right now that the problem is Allen. Olshey says something about talking to him and that he is OK with how things are going. If Allen says he wants a new coach, we will get one. If he doesn't, we won't.
     
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    Swept in two straight season after making the 2nd round. How's that better?
     
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    I mean yeah, I don’t see any other way. It’s that and the MLE. Assuming Olshey stays, CJ ain’t going anywhere so it isn’t even worth the energy talking about those scenarios.
     
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    This team needs tweaks. For sure. But I think Olshey has done some really good things too. It’s frustrating to say for sure. I’m think he and Stotts stay and get another year. If the team plays like shit starting off the season I can see a move then.
     
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    All due respect of course, but right now you and many others aren't thinking logically, you're thinking emotionally. If you were thinking logically then you wouldn't be isolating and judging a line from a GM exit interview. What did you think he was going to say today? As soon as he comes out and says, "Fuck it, we're carpet bombing the entire roster and coaching staff", he loses a ton of leverage with the rest of the league. Not to mention he has a point - Less than 24 hours after an extremely disappointing series isn't the time to overreact or do or say anything emotional that you'll regret later (Jason Quick). This is exactly the time when you should stick to the script, say boring things and get the hell out of there. You have to take some time, step back and look at everything in a measured way. It may be he later decides big changes are needed, which I think he will, and you're getting all riled up over nothing.

    I keep seeing the fact we've lost 10 playoff games in a row, not 4. Okay, the first two were in the 2nd round against a 73-9 Golden State team that lost in the finals. The next four were against a 67-15 Golden State team that went 16-1 in the post season on their way to a championship.

    The team lost 4 of 5 starters (late in the free agency period I might add) and managed to be a playoff team. The one offseason we had tons of cap-space was the season all the players were getting huge contracts, but it was use-it-or-lose-it and no big free agents sign here. We can call all of these statements excuses, but I don't think anything I wrote in these last two paragraphs isn't a fact.

    I think making the post-season 5 times in a row in a tough conference as a small market with bad weather and a sales tax, and without any big free agents ever signing does actually matter. That doesn't mean I'm content with mediocrity. But logic tells me it's not easy to build a championship contender in a small market unless you have the convergence of events that brought Duncan, Pop, David Robinson and the rest together in the first place. Even if a small market gets extremely lucky and guts their team to get Westbrook, Melo and PG together for one year, it can still apparently result in mediocrity. Yet everyone seems to worship that GM.
     
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    Yeah Blazers are just going to end up wasting Lillard and CJ and then starting over again
     
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    I'm not judging him from an exit interview. I'm judging him from every interview he's given and what I've heard about him and the way he acts.

    Who the hell says that he needs to say that? If all he said was "boring things" it'd be fine. But instead, he's condescending towards the fans, basically acting as if they're wrong for being upset, and sells a BS version of the truth. That's the problem I have. Taking a step back means becoming less removed from the disaster and problems that caused it. Losing 4 of 5 starters is no longer relevant. That was years ago. That doesn't apply to our situation, and is stated simply to try to make the current situation look better than it is. Use it or lose it? Well we used it and lost, as Evan Turner consistently hurts the team. Huge mistake, that has stopped us from acquiring someone like Nikola Mirotic at the deadline, and reduced our MLE. It's hurt us. If the goal is to make the playoffs and lose in the 1st round unless there's some sort of miracle, then yes, you should be happy with Olshey. A small-market team needs an aggressive GM like Danny Ainge. He's made a series of moves that he's won and it's multiplied his assets. Assets are more important to a small market team because they can realistically only add stars through trade or the draft. Presti is overrated. So is Olshey. Olshey needs to go. He had no vision for this roster and it's hurt us. We've had regular season success because we have a borderline top 5 player in Dame. Not because of Stotts, and not because of Olshey.
     
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  19. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Teams will be falling all over themselves to clear cap space to sign guys like Paul George and LeBron James. We're not getting either one of those guys, but with Olshey's propensity for being a third party facilitator in other trades, that TPE could come in handy.

    For example, if NYK and HOU had been able to work out a way to make a Carmelo to HOU trade, we could have potentially landed someone like Eric Gordon from HOU by sending them the Crabbe TPE. That would have cleared $13 million off their cap space, which would have then allowed them to send Trevor Ariza to the Knicks for Carmelo. But Morey was dead set on dumping Ryan Anderson's mistake of a contract in order to get Melo. Of course, in hindsight, he was better off keeping Gordon and Ariza than getting Melo, but this is just an example of the potential usefulness of having a $13 million TPE.

    The nice thing is the Crabbe TPE doesn't expire until July 25, three and a half weeks after the free agent signing period starts. Plenty of time for teams to work out a complex trade for their coveted superstar. If I was Neil, I'd make it known before the draft that he's willing to use that $13 million TPE, as well as the Vonleh $3.5 million TPE, to help other teams clear cap space to make a blockbuster deal. Let the other GMs know well ahead of time that those TPE's are available for the right player(s).

    BNM
     
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    I like Stotts, I think he’s a good coach. Maybe it’s time for a new voice. But he’ll get hired quickly because he’s respected and the league knows he’s good. Portland fans “know better” and want to buy his ticket out. Olsheys done enough good things to deserve to stay. Of course he’s going to swing and miss sometimes. Unless you have deep, extreme talent, you can’t miss or people freak out. Neil has an eye for talent, drafts relatively well and got guys like Harkless and Nurk for peanuts. No one bats 1.000
     
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