I don’t post like or agree with racists. I have a couple friends that I grew up with, proud African American men who hold poetry slams and other town hall type get togethers where race and their rights are topics. I’m sure some of their messages would ruffle conservative feathers on here. I said they post things on their Facebook pages is all. Why would that be brought up here? And where did you come up with “I won’t show you” ? I’m still confused on why this was searched for and posted about. The cipy guy LIKED your post as well, I wonder what he agreed with? I’m also “friends” with people on Facebook who are very pro gun and Trump (not many, but a few). What does that make me? Being friends with somebody who likes guns? I don’t think your logic applies man.
I mean that's the most fair response I have gotten. I think liberalism is pretty much dead in America and has been replaced with this super left "progressive" way of thinking and when I say progressive, it's not actually progressive. It's the hive thinkers that come after people for no reason and claim everything is racist or whatever if you get what I am saying. There are actual progressives who want progress just not in the way of the fake progressives who actually sound regressive. Anarchists are obviously Antifa. I know the difference. I am more of a centrist. I am probably more liberal than people actually think but yeah I have conservative beliefs too. I think I just have an issue with the way conservatives are treated. The people themselves. I grew up around nothing but conservatives and not once did I hear anything racist. I grew up in the country, the place people love to stereotype. That's fine. A lot of these people are good people though and I find it unfair to label them as bad as a lot of people often do
I think you are falling for the conservative propaganda strategy of relabeling your enemy or argument to your own terms. Liberalism is not dead, never was never will be. Progressive come from the work progress, but now its a "dirty" word to sarcastically call liberals. Socialism is communism. Equal rights are less rights for white people. Etc. Its really easy to hate on someone when they seem so foreign to you and your beliefs.
Cippy defended a meme. That's your evidence he's a racist. He didn't defend tiki torch morons, you're pulling that out of your ass. I remembered what you wrote almost verbatim. You got confused completely, there's a difference. If you're going to accuse someone, back it up. People saying cippy is a racist is your other defense for accusing him of being a racist. Now look up the term militant and get back to me.
I don't think a lot of those things. What I mean is liberalism has been taken over by this weird movement under the disguise of being progressive. It's all over college campuses. You don't have to look far in the tech industry to find it. Companies like google have been outed for being diverse just for the sake of being diverse and not hiring people based on if they actually qualify. James Damore the google memo guy as well as other former google employees exposed that. James demore got fired for something completely ridiculous. Just recently this girl on social media got blasted for this idea of "cultural appropriation" because she wore a chinese dress to prom. It's not even a progressive idea. It's saying hey your race can't wear that or take part in that culture because it's not yours which is crazy to say because America is the melting pot of all cultures together. None of these ideas are "progressive". I side with the Jordan Petersons and Bret Weinsteins of the world. Bret Weinstein was the teacher at Evergreen, you know the school in Washington where the black students said that there must be a day at school without white people. This professor was against the idea and they all called him racist and went on a child like tantrum after that. Jordan peterson is another professor that got blasted in canada for the gender pronoun debate going on there. That isn't progressive. That's not being a liberal. That's a whole different animal. I am sure HCP or dviss would consider themselves progressive. It's not progressive to label somebody racist or say they defend racists for defending a frog meme. It's just not. It's backwards and regressive thinking that is dangerous to society as a whole. That type of ideology shouldn't be accepted yet it is accepted more and more. It's the new brainwash and I am not saying conservatives are without fault. They definitely have prehistoric ideas. It's not being spread though or accepted. So people have that right. I don't think socialism isn't communism but it doesn't work. Equal rights aren't less rights for white people but the idea of equal rights these days make no sense whether it be with feminism or race issues only because it's not about equal rights anymore, it's about some weird power trip. If you ask me I think we have reached the closest thing to equal rights. The issue is everybody wants to be a victim and people want excuses for their failures, that's why this word racist gets thrown out like it's nothing. It's "hey we live in a racist country, that's why I can't get anywhere or do anything" or "this country is sexist that's why they didn't hire me".
I didnt mean to say you think those, I was just using them as example as ways the message gets twisted. A lot of what you are using are extreme or misrepresented examples though. 1) are you sure its all over college campuses? When was the last time you spent time on one? My wife is graduating with her BA this year, so I feel pretty plugged into that scene. 2) Are you sure about the tech industry? They are trying to diversify their workforce but for good reason, tech jobs are dominated by Asians, Indians, Caucasians who are all men. Its important to involve other sexes and races to the party and the CEO's of those industries made a conscious effort to be leaders in that area, no one told them to do this. The google letter guy made some good points, but he also made some bad ones and he did it in a public forum, not recommend for anyone who wants to keep their job. Now if he could play basketball he would have the option to just "shut up and play ball" 3) The Chinese dress thing is laughable. I dont know one person who is seriously upset over this. More faux rage to make fun of the left over. 4) Bret Weinstein thing? First I heard about it. Honestly sounds like a story from Breitbart or the conservative daily news. The labeling everyone on the right as a racist does bother me also though. It just dilutes the term for when its needed. Frog meme's do now carry racial overtones though, there might be reasons why people who use them are not using them for racist reason, but if I see them used my first thought is "oh shit this is probably going to be racist." Thats just how it is now, blame the fuckers who adopted it.
1. From everything I have seen and heard, yes. My girlfriend is going to school. She is doing a class for mythology and the professor said if she went to this sexual assault lecture type thing on campus that she would get "big extra credit". That makes no sense. The class is mythology, why on earth would she get extra credit for going to this event that has nothing to do with mythology? I can't be sure it's on EVERY college campus but I would say a lot of them teach these sorts of ideas. 2. I don't think companies should be diverse just for the sake of being diverse. I think the position of these jobs should go to people who are qualified no matter what color or gender. The fact they are trying to be diverse just screws over people who are actually qualified. 3. I can show you. 179 thousand likes for what that guy said. over 40k retweets. That is 179k people who think that this girl wearing a chinese dress to prom isn't okay because she is white. 4. I will show you more. This was probably a year ago. Bret Weinstein considers himself a progressive and in my opinion is an actual progressive. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ftist-intolerance-is-killing-higher-education "In April, the event that nominally brought Evergreen to national attention arrived. Historically on campus, a day in April has been chosen as a “Day of Absence,” on which some people of color chose to absent themselves from campus to demonstrate their important roles at the college. This year, the organizers decided that the process should be reversed, and white people were “asked” to leave the campus for the day. When Bret respectfully challenged the invitation to absent himself over email, the blowback from faculty and staff was telling. One wrote, “I love imagining students, staff and colleagues of color having the campus to themselves to do their work.” Another commented, “By switching the Day of Absence programming, we are physically moving our bodies so that people of color can be centered for ONE DAY on campus.” Yet another wrote: “I feel strongly about honoring the call for white-identified people to absent themselves from campus.” The interim provost had already sent an email saying “This expanded programming and call for even broader participation in both Day of Presence and Day of Absence also mean faculty will need to make adjustments to teaching and associated classroom scheduling.” Many faculty committed long in advance to require students to participate. If this is an ask, we don’t want to see a tell. Weeks later, on the morning of May 23, an unruly group of students disrupted Bret’s class, yelled and chanted at him, barred the police from entering the scene, and then went to hold court with the college administration. Many of the protesters did not even know what they had been asked to come protest. Students acted badly, and then stupidly, taking video and posting it for the whole world to see. But it was not the students who were the driving force behind this disruption. They were, rather, empowered and encouraged by bad decisions by the administration, and by the faux-equity cabal, represented by a minority of faculty and staff. Later that afternoon, hundreds of people, mostly students, held a forum in a fourth floor room. The entry, a long hallway, was entirely controlled by protesters who had been emboldened by the successes of their disruptions earlier in the day. The college administration had promised that it would “train” faculty, and the campus police chief had been ordered to attend the forum unarmed, an important symbolic victory for a movement that advocates an end to police presence on campus with the acronym ACAB (All Cops Are Bastards). Bret attended, as did many of his students. Two of his students, neither of them white, attempted to defend him to the angry crowd. They were shouted down. Not following the faux-equity party line meant that you would be informed that you were wrong, that you were a traitor, and that you needed to change. The meeting was decidedly threatening and unsafe. While it was going on, some of Bret’s students texted him from other points in the room to tell him that protesters were hiding mace, and discussing not letting him leave. He texted Heather, in case he found himself a hostage: “I am told I will not be allowed to leave.” “Not sure what to do.” At that moment, Heather was holding our two sons close to her at home. By coincidence, it was also the moment when a giant maple in our backyard cracked in half, and fell, crashing into another tree and landing suspended, where it would hang for months. The silence that followed was deafening. It seemed that our world was shifting. The protesters might detain Bret, the police chief had been disarmed, and nobody with authority was stepping up. These protests at Evergreen were not like protests many readers will remember from their own college days. Nor were they like the ones we had participated in ourselves. Both of us protested as college students before the first Gulf War, and again after the bailouts that followed the 2008 financial collapse with the Occupy movement. It was heady stuff, but it never approached violence. And, agree with us or not, we were objecting to policy, not claims of bias that are immune to scrutiny. This was differ The protesters did let Bret leave, but they assigned “handlers” to him and his students. And although Bret was able to have a productive, if tense, dialogue with protesters in small groups, the leaders inevitably intervened to stop such off-script activity. By the next day, any gains were lost. Protesters stormed the last faculty meeting of the year, where newly emeritus faculty members were being lauded. They took over the meeting, stole a celebratory retirement cake, and said things like “Didn’t you educate us on how to do shit like this?” The radicals blockaded the library, trapping employees and students inside, frightening several. One faculty member who had participated with the students in shutting down the faculty meeting held court outside the library, telling two faculty colleagues that “you are now those motherfuckers that we’re pushing against.” She told them to “go inside and listen to the students … or take your ass home … Two options: Go inside, go home.” The protesters subjugated and humiliated everyone who did not fall into line. When they ordered the college president to stop gesticulating with his hands, on account of the presumably aggressive nature of his hand gestures, he promptly did so. When they insisted that he have an escort to use the bathroom, he acquiesced. They hurled obscenities and insults at him and others. That evening, the same faculty member who had been issuing peremptory commands outside the library wrote to the campus community to say how proud she was of the protesters, and to reinforce an earlier thought from one of the radicals. “They are doing exactly what we've taught them today,” she wrote. What do you suppose the response to this email was? Horror, shock, quiet distaste? In some circles, yes, but the only people who responded publicly wrote to thank her." I find it funny your assumption is these stories were just false or I had grabbed them from some conservative site. Nope. All real. All happened. I have examples for days, these aren't just baseless statements of mine. I can keep going if you want
If 'everyone' hates you....its probably you, right? So if the media hates him so much, according to Trumpets, why? Just for ratings I guess? Did they not want ratings during Obama years? Without a doubt the media is biased. But they aren't making up words (those come right out of his mouth) or making up tweets that he sends. He does that all by himself. I don't get it.
This is all I will address because the rest is opinion or information. The "diversity problem" is not as simple as it sounds. There are lots of factors, for instance if your hire team is a bunch of white dudes then who do you think they lean toward hiring? Im not saying they are racist, Im just saying that we identify with similarities. Retention is another huge problem, if a woman comes onto the job and she is the only women then the odds of retaining her are pretty low. Diversity of ideas comes from diversity of education and backgrounds, if you have a bunch of Indian guys who all went to the same school then what kind of different ideas do you expect to get? On a person to person level the best person should get the job but on a socioeconomic scale a healthy company is made up of many different parts.
The left is treating trump exactly how the right treated Obama. That's just how it goes. I personally don't think trump is all that evil. I think he is dumb. I don't agree with a lot of his views but I think it's good what he is doing right now about North Korea and the peace talks. I think it's a major turning point when a non politician can become president. Those are the only things I have admired. Other than that there hasn't been much I have cared for when it comes to Trump. I feel like that's pretty reasonable.
I didn't get why @Cippy91 cared so much about Pepe. I finally thought "what if Nazis used Homer Simpson memes?" I'd fight it too. The best way would be to make Pepe memes that make fun of the tiki torch idiots but I don't think anyone cares enough to bother.
Okay I see what you are saying but wouldn't you want the most qualified people? why would it matter if a place is full of white guys or indian guys? I would want the most qualified and I feel like that's fair. No matter what color or gender, as long as you are most qualified for the job, that's all that matters but if it's just to be like "hey look we are diverse" then it's being done for the wrong reasons.
I think it's because I am fairly young and have used the pepe meme back in the day, exchanging memes with friends is huge. We have group chats on instagram and what not just exchanging memes of all sorts. I don't think people at a certain age get that because they didn't come up like we did. I came up when memes became memes so to see a group of white nationalists take it and then the media spins it and says it's now a hate symbol makes a lot of us go "wait, what the fuck are you talking about? thats a frog". It's not like the swastika where yes it was at first a symbol that was good. The Nazis took it and made it something bad. That was a HUGE movement though. A whole fucking country got brainwashed into that. That shit has a major stamp in history where as Richard spencer and his racist idiot boys wore the pepe meme around. How many people know who richard spencer is compared to hitler? that's my point. It's not nearly the same but that's the argument people love to bring up to counter it. it's just not the same. I think these people would be surprised to know they are in the minority when thinking it's some form of hate or racist symbol.
The Kanye west thing kinda fits into the same subject. Yeah I am sure half of his act is to market his next album but I think he means what he is saying. It's interesting to see the twitter mobs and media come after Kanye for saying he likes trump and if you watched interviews, he admits he knows nothing about his politics, he just likes the idea of trump and now black people hate him and white people hate him. It's the fake outrage. He hasn't said anything bad, but it's amazing to see how people react to somebody saying something positive about Trump. I don't like a lot of things people say but I don't hate them for their opinions. People are genuinely speaking out of hate for kanye and saying he doesn't care about black people and I think that's crazy
there really is no "most qualified". There are capable and not capable, and some turn out better than others despite all the vetting you do, and the crappy ones eventually get fired. In a large company its about numbers not individuals. But to get more to your point to "target" underrepresented groups it comes down to recruitment not interviews. Everyone who gets an interview gets an equal shot, but they recruit in areas of higher populations of minorities and women. This helps out less fortunate areas of our country and eventually helps everyone. The other part of that formula is getting women and underrepresented groups interested in tech work to study, a big part of women/minorities wanting to study tech is seeing other prominent women/minorities in the industry that they can look up to.
I meant on a large scale. He likes Pepe but very few others even knew what it was. I think I'd seen it before, people know Homer.
