Religion Christian group conducts study on abortion, finds that Christians have the most abortions

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    In the wake of the November 27, 2015 Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado Springs, the findings of a survey released by LifeWay, a Christian research group, reveal some interesting facts about a seemingly hidden culture within the Christian community.

    The survey explored the true relationship of religion and abortion and was co-sponsored by the pregnancy support organization Care Net. These are some of their findings.

    • 70 percent of the women they surveyed considered themselves Christians.
    • Over 50 percent of the surveyed women who attend church regularly have kept their abortions secret from their church community.
    • 40 percent of women surveyed feel that churches are not equipped to help them make decisions about unwanted pregnancies.
    Within these surprising findings lies an unsettling symptom of anti-abortion culture, which often shames women who terminate pregnancies. According to the research, roughly a third of women (regardless of their religious beliefs) cite the father of the unborn baby as the most influential person in their decision to have an abortion.

    Many agree that the survey’s results are particularly damning of church culture, which fails to find the proper guidance for women facing such a difficult time.

    Roughly two thirds of the women surveyed agree that their pastor’s teachings on forgiveness do not apply to women who’ve had abortions. Over half of women believe that their church is out-of-touch when it comes to helping them understand their options when facing an unplanned pregnancy.

    Regardless of the choices the women in these communities make, they face judgment on all sides, and have to choose between secrecy and being ostracized, in which no ‘right’ decision can be made. This could be a reason why over half of women who regularly attend church keep their past a secret.

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    Dogs have the fewest abortions.
     
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    most dogs are neutered
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    funny how that happens.
     
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    This does not surprise me. These women are less likely to have comprehensive sex education. They are taught sex is a sin (for women, anyway) and if they use birth control it means they are planning to, or are having, heterosexual intercourse. So they pretend it "just happened". They are often less likely to have access to birth control even if they are willing to use it. It is somewhat ironic that women from pro-choice religious/cultural backgrounds are much less likely to need abortions then women from more repressive backgrounds; both my teen nieces were talked to about birth control from puberty.
     
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    I'd be careful diving into abortion statistics, smug athiests. In the quest to smear Christians you could easily open a racist can of worms. The exact bullshit argument being made against Christians here could be used against minorities. Just something to keep in mind before you decide to shit on an entire group of people.
     
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    tell that to my Irish relatives....not an atheist in the group...Catholics and Protestants been shitting on each other for hundreds of years..the orange and green...no forum member wrote the article...and fact is johnny...you don't need to dive into abortion statistics to read the article. Seems you're diving into stereotyping a bit yourself here.
     
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    Remember the time the local shelter organize that anti abortion rally? Neither do I. Also when did christianity or abortion become a race issue?

    The bigger point here is not who is getting them, its who is being a hypocrite about getting them.
     
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    I disagree. I think the bigger point here is the harmful view much of the church has taken on sin, ie, that forgiveness thereof is situational and conditional, or that the Godly love that the church is supposed to show would be withheld from people who aren't "worthy". This notion runs completely counter to Jesus' teachings, and it hurts my heart to read things like the line in the OP that many women's "pastor’s teachings on forgiveness do not apply to women who’ve had abortions". Forgiveness is available to all.
     
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    I like this article (referenced in the article you're quoting):
    Jim Bakker: Two scientists sent by God to cure cancer were aborted
    Seems like if God knows a fertilized egg is going to develop into a scientist able to cure cancer in, ooh, at least 25-30 years, He would be able to predict that it would get aborted in 25-30 days... So what Bakker is saying is that God is intentionally fucking with us.
     
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    Remember the time when churches in America provided more aid on a daily basis than any other entities by a huge margin, without vetting or passing judgement on those they help? I don't get why people love to bash Christians so much. It's like a hobby for unhappy athiests. I don't even go to church but Athiesm seems to be the most intolerant religion of all. It's funny too because generally the people who bash Christians are the same ones who shit themselves if you bring up Muslims subjugating women and lopping people's heads off.
     
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    True, and hardly aware of any of the reasons for Jesus' reformations of Mosaic harshness. One young fella I know, it would seem, Tyrant is only word that describes him well.

    But in the context of abortion, I don't think hypocrites is the issue at all. It seem to me, especially in light of stats like the ones preceding this post,
    have more to do with abandoning the good in Christianity. Especially the joining of mothers and fathers for the good of children. Perhaps outside influences have over burdened the good that is the intent of Marriage and cherishing the child. Could it be, getting back to following the teachings of Jesus is the salvation from the blight of abortion?
     
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    >>> Ha! Little people need to find easy targets.

    True again!
     
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    If a primary tenet of an organization is a call for people to turn away from behaving one way and toward another, and essentially be the arbiter of "right and wrong", then it is natural for those being told that they are in the wrong to point out when said arbiters are not adhering to their own expectations.

    I think that if the church were to hold more closely to James' depiction of true religion--"to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world"--and Paul's instruction in 1 Corinthians--"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside."--they'd be much less likely to incur the bashing of those outside.
     
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    Hmm.... I imagine quite a few people who aren't really religious would call themselves Christians. Tons of people celebrate Christmas, but wouldn't call themselves religious.

    I also imagine quite a few people still attend church that only do so because of pressure from their family, or because they enjoy the community. I attended a Lutheran church for several years in my teens because I enjoyed the youth group and I played on the softball team. I also didn't mind spending time on camping trips and get aways with the cute girls. With that said, I certainly wouldn't have considered myself religious. Never drank the kool aid.
     
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    Your post is full of christian victim complex, gross generalizations and weird tangent points that dont really relate the the topic on hand.
     
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    Great reply and the attitude I like and hope to see from Christians. The only thing I think I will add is that non religious folks dont view abortion as a sin and therefore dont have the same internal moral struggle or shame on the issue. The fact that both groups get a lot of abortions leads me to think that this is a human issue not a religious one.
     
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    :cool2: Your post is full of the signs of a smug ass.
     

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