There’s not a deal that we can provide for him that would make sense unless we include Zach Collins. West is strong but this team with Love could still be top 6 meaning or pick would end up around 20 or so, that’s not a tremendous value. To match salaries we would need to send out a couple of terrible deals that will still run for two more years too, which basically completely nullifies the value of the pick attached. Our only young player of value is Collins. They are actually better off sending him anywhere else or keeping him rather than taking crap like Turner and Leonard. If you offer one of the awful players and Collins plus a first round pick, this could make sense for them. Collins basically becomes the focal point of that deal then.
We can send Leonard, Aminu, and Layman/Swanigan. You seriously think that the mulitple first round picks we could send to a rebuilding team is nullified by 2 years, $10M.
If we obtained Love/Korver, we'd have a pretty interesting first team offensive unit. Love and Nurk have pretty good vision and basketball IQ for big men, and Korver could be that dependable 3 point threat for CJ and Dame to kick out to. Our defense and rebounding...well... but the ball "should" move around a lot and we'd see some pretty basketball. Sorry, I'm just scraping for anything
Yes if those picks end up being in the 20s which they are. You are trading Kevin Love, one of the best power forwards in the league that you had acquired for no. 1 overall pick. I would trade him for two low end first round picks alone and here you are also asking me to take on some players I don’t even want. Suns could come and offer them TJ Warren and the Bucks pick and it immediately becomes a better offer. Unless Love’s value is at bottom low the deal you are proposing would be terrible value for Cavs. Nobody will take Turner and Leonard in any kind of a deal IMO. We are stuck with them until 2020, that’s unless Olshey gives them new deals by that time.
T.J. Warren is trash, and the Bucks pick will be lower than ours. I've suggested adding 3, and I've been told it's too much, and too little, so I think it's about right.
Three picks is desperate as one of them will be 2023 and nobody knows what this team will be like at the time. He’s definitely miles better than Meyers. Warren isn’t trash, he’s actually a decent scorer. Bucks haven’t picked below us in the last three years, have one great and one good player and a lot of bad players with little cap flexibility.
What about a 3-way deal with Cleveland and Milwaukee, where Collins goes to MIL, Middleton comes back to us in our TPE, and Moe/Aminu go to Cleveland for Love? Cavs actually get two decent players in the deal (instead of "trash" like Leonard or Turner), save like 8M this year; MIL saves like 10M to resign Parker, and gets a lotto-prospect center; We upgrade both forward spots (assuming Middleton can play SF).
Middleton can play anywhere from 2 to 4. Nobody aside from us gets fair value here. Harkless and Aminu are not needed at Cleveland during rebuild, Collins I think is not enough for Middleton but he’s expiring so maybe at a push but I doubt Milwaukee are looking to get younger. I think inclusion of Harkless in Love trade makes it more realistic than including Meyers or Turner but he’d need to go to a third team that would send a younger player or a pick to Cleveland. The only way we get Love though, I think, is if we give them Collins.
In today's climate in the NBA, Love's contract is actually pretty high. His value isn't close to what it was when he was traded to Cleveland. He's been injury prone and been the scape goat (unfairly) to many of the Cavs problems. Love simply doesn't have much value. We could also offer to use the TPE to take back more salary or do other unbalanced trades so they could rid themselves of guys like JR Smith and/or Tristan Thompson. I don't see Phoenix giving up young assets for him just like most rebuilding teams wouldn't. The only team I'm worried about is the Lakers IF LeBron wanted him but that doesn't appear to be the case.
Fair enough, but I think you're overestimating Love's trade value in the current climate, and underestimating Moe's value to a rebuilding team.
It is in their interest to get crap, otherwise they will lose their first round pick to Atlanta. They can not be decent this year it they want that pick. That's why they should be ok with crap + pick,, because it is actually 2 picks from their point of view
Yeah, imagine this scenario: The Blazers in 2015-16 get Damian Lillard taken from their roster but they still lose their 2016 draft pick to Denver. So basically they'd be building around CJ, Vonleh, and Meyers Leonard and no draft pick that summer. Sounds really fun right? The Cavs basically have Collin Sexton for their rebuild. Even if you included Cedi Osman and Ante Zizic as young prospects they still have a pretty empty cupboard. They have to be in the bottom 10 next year.
Thats why there's pick protections... I think a team like OKC would swap a a 1st for a couple 2nds and us taking on some salaty.
