BNM, I understand the cap. In the Arthur example we wouldn't have Stauskas nor paid cash in the Trent trade so that offsets a little bit of the money. As @PtldPlatypus points out, we also have until the trade deadline to alleviate more money from that equation. That 2021 Miami pick is in a draft that is expected to have the first year of the one and done rule being eliminated, that draft could be crazy good.
You didn't answer the question. Do you not think there are cheaper ways to acquire a future 2nd round pick? Stauskas is a min contract. Having him, or not having him, doesn't save much money. Yes, we have until the trade deadline to give away assets to save money. Just remember, we are required to carry 14 players on the roster. Giving away an end of the bench 15th man won't save much money. If the 2020-21 draft is going to be so deep go out and buy a pick. It will cost a lot less than $24.5 million. Overpaying for mediocre assets (Crabbe, Turner, Meyers) is what got us here. Continuing to do so isn't the way to dig ourselves out of this hole. Even in the deepest draft, any 2nd round pick is a total crap shoot. Paying $24.5 cash for a future 2nd round pick is the definition of overpaying for a marginal asset. BNM
First of all, when you keep mentioning a certain amount a min contract is significant because you are counting it along with that multiplier. So it wouldn't still be that much. Second of all, I have multiple posts explaining how having another expiring contract could be useful in getting a guy who WOULD be worth paying the tax for. Third of all, the 2nd round pick is just a small part of the equation. I am in no way endorsing making no other moves and keeping the roster the same after using the TPE but having a backup like Arthur does help our frontcourt depth issue.
Typical selling price for a high 2nd round draft pick = $3.5 million. There was no reasonable way of using the TPE to take on a bad contract to get a pick that wouldn't have cost many times that amount. I'm not against accumulating future assets. I just don't want to overpay for them. I specifically replied to your comment about using the TPE on Arthur or Faried to acquire an additional 2nd round pick. I still believe there are much cheaper ways to acquire such a pick. BNM
I'm in no way saying those moves make us a contender with the Warriors. What it does do is make it more realistic to get a trade in the future that would help with that. Instead we don't have much to work with this summer now that the TPE expired.
We still have the Vonleh TPE. We also have C.J., and several very young, talented players on cheap rookie contracts (Collins, Simons, Trent Jr.) and own all of our future first round picks. Other than the Vonleh TPE, I think all of those assets are more valuable than anything we could have landed with the Crabbe TPE. BNM
A for effort! Wish my profs graded me this way. I studied my ass off in college and still got some shitty ass grades. Or my performance evaluations at work. Woulda had a lot more bonuses come my way had I been evaluated for things I tried to do but still couldn't actually get done.
I specifically said last night that I was talking in terms of making the team better with Dame and CJ on it. Otherwise keeping Cj makes no sense if they aren't willing to try to make this roster better. Attaching those picks and young guys to expiring contracts like Aminu and whoever we got from the TPE (Lin, Faried, Arthur, Etc.) has way more value than attching guys like Turner or Leonard to make salaries work. In my mind that is the difference between landing a guy like Blake Griffin or last year with Mirotic or insert whatever name becomes available this year.
it is what it is....at his age, I like the guy...he just needs to play some regular season games and get some experience against veteran bigs...that's always a learning curve….I do think he'll give us Big Ed's rebounds when he's subbed in....Faried is a one trick pony vet....sorry..I don't get the love for him at all...he couldn't make the Nuggets better...he wouldn't make Portland better either
You are assigning way too much value to guys like Faried, Arthur and Lin. They actually have negative trade value. DEN had to give BRK a 1st round pick to take Fareid and Arthur off their books. BRK sent Lin to ATL for a guy who will probably never play in the NBA and gave ATL the right to swap future 2nd round picks. The last thing this team needs it more players with negative trade value. We have plenty of those. That's not accumulating assets, that's accumulating deficits. BNM
I really don't understand pessimism heading into a new season with so many unknown factors ..haven't even had a training camp yet. I never go into a season with doubt and negative affirmations about what nobody knows....how the roster will click. It's all guess work until we've seen the roster play
So, you actually believe that anything we could have gotten with the Crabbe TPE has more trade value than all of C.J./ Collins, Simons, Trent Jr. and all of our future 1st round picks? Because here's what you responded to: "Other than the Vonleh TPE, I think all of those assets are more valuable than anything we could have landed with the Crabbe TPE." Feel free to disagree all you want, but don't act like I'm the one who's the fool. BNM
Are you saying trading Aminu and Lin and a 1st has the same value as trading Turner and a 1st this year? It's not even close.
They had to give up a 1st because they took on $20 million in salary for nothing. Our situation would be a normal trade, not a salary dump.
Well geez...I was just talking about your optimism in regards to Swanigan, so I'll stick with that. It is my observation that Swanigan is too slow--too slow to guard PFs and practically too slow to guard Cs, his help D is okay but he isn't athletic, can't get his own shot, doesn't seem to make the best decisions, etc. Good things? He seems to pass okay and rebound well. But I find it simultaneous depressing, surprising, and terrifying that he might actually play significant minutes ever, let alone next season. So again, is observation/opinion pessimism? It might lead to it, maybe. My point is that I don't think Swanigan fits in the NBA and you do and that surprises me.
No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is overpaying for "assets" with negative trade value isn't going to land us a superstar in return. BNM
Then why didn't DEN move Faried and/or Arthur in a "normal" trade that would have brought back something of positive value in return? Because they couldn't. You don't think they tried? They have been shopping Faried for a couple years with no takers. In the end, they had to pay someone a 1st round pick to take him. That is the definition of negative trade value. We already have plenty of those guys, We don't need any more, especially if it costs us over $35 million in salary and luxury tax. BNM
