That's actually really interesting. The vagueness explains why I've seen a 3 year limit and a 4 year limit.
Just so we're all on the same page, I believe having 2-way contracts doesn't affect the number of players you can have on your regular roster, and similarly doesn't affect the salary cap. Can anyone confirm?
Yes. 2-ways do not count against the 15 man roster & their salary does not count in cap/tax calculations. Considering Wilcox was a 2-way with 3 prior years in the NBA, I believe it is 4 years of service or less.
Maybe the question is does a two-way contract count as a year of service? Maybe Wilcox could be a two-way player but wasn't eligible for an NBA contract last year once he signed the two-way contract. It would explain why the Blazers never really did anything with him. He was simply insurance during the season in case of a major injury, which never happened.
Yeah boy, just look at all that top shelf talent we've missed out on. I'd much rather Neil wait for someone to cut loose the next Wade Baldwin than sign someone who has no chance of making an NBA roster anytime soon. There will be better talent available in October, when the final roster cuts happen, than there was in July. BNM
Though I have problems with NO, seems to me he should only really go sign guys who he “believes in”. Don’t care if he uses the two contracts now or in December, but he shouldn’t just sign guys to say we he did it....
Yep, what's the point of signing guys to 2-way contracts in July/August? Why tie up those spots now? Keep them open, wait for someone worthwhile to become available, and then pounce. If Neil would have used up both 2-way slots last July/August, we would have not been able to sign Wade Baldwin in October. Unless there is someone out there that blows your socks off, it makes sense to wait. Plus, waiting gives the nattering nabobs one more thing to bitch and whine about. OMG, it's August 1st and we don't know who our 17th man is!!!! Fire Olshey NOW!!! BNM
So smart guy, should Neil have tied up our two 2-way contracts by August 1st last year and missed out on Wade Baldwin in October? Is that your master plan? Tie up our 16th and 17th roster spots by August 1st and potentially miss out on much better talent a few months from now when other teams are trimming their rosters of actual NBA level talent? I know you like to shit all over Olshey every chance you get, but this is one area where he has proven he actually knows more than you do. BNM
Doesn’t matter if he knows more than me or not, I’m not his competition. His actual competition has left him behind.
Way to side step the actual question: Do you actually think we would be better off tying up our 2-way slots than waiting to see what becomes available in October when teams need to make their final roster cuts? Last year Neil waited and it worked out pretty damn good, didn't it? It's OK, when Neil actually does something right, it's ok to admit it. Waiting seems like the far smarter approach. BNM
Really, you mean the competition that shot their load too soon and missed out on Wade Baldwin last year. That competition??? I'd say Neil won that one. Here's last years list of 2-way players. Feel free to show me one player on that list you'd rather have than Wade Baldwin. Yep, if it was a competition, Neil won that round. By waiting until October, he was able to sign the 17th pick from the 2016 draft to a 2-way contract. BNM
Why don’t YOU find me someone on a current roster that A) qualifies for a two way B) is on a full roster and C) has either a minimal, or non guaranteed contract. Good luck. Here, I’ll give you a head start. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/ATL.html So while it’s convenient to keep throwing Baldwin’s name out there, he’s definitely looking more like the exception rather than the rule. Because if your theory were true, all the other teams would “wait” as well. And I listed some of the guys that are currently available. Doesn’t mean I necessarily want them to fill both spots right this second. But the opportunity to get them is there, so maybe be proactive. Or sit around and pray another Baldwin falls out of the sky. It’s tough.
Looks to me like the Kings have 16 guaranteed contracts. Their 3 cheapest contracts are Frank Mason, Skal Labissiere, and Deyonta Davis. Any one of those three would be a decent pickup. Of course, if I were them I'd keep all my youngsters and drop an expensive expiring like Randolph or Shumpert, but you never know...
The reality is that almost none of those guys do much for there teams. So while yeah it is important to try to find guys for 2 way contracts, it’s not exactly like it matters if he uses them now or later. They will get used eventually...
The reason Baldwin is the exception is because so many other GMs foolishly lock up their two 2-way contracts in July and August. Plus, we only have 1-year of data to study. You can't really establish any trends based on 1-year's worth of data. If you could, you'd have to conclude that you end up getting the best player by waiting. I'm not going to waste my time going through every team's current roster looking for possible 2-way opportunities. Things will change between now and mid-October (last year, two of the summer's biggest trades happened after August 1). It's pointless to speculate on August 1 who may, or may not, be available two and a half months from now. I seriously doubt anyone would have predicted last August 1 that Baldwin would be available come mid-October. Like I said, unless someone out there absolutely blows your socks off, it makes sense to wait to see if someone worthwhile becomes available. It just seems silly to be complaining that we haven't filled our 16th and 17th roster spots by August 1. BNM
I generally agree with you here, but there are some good players who have a lot of potential that we have missed out on... - Motley - Watanbe
Motley yikes. Was Baldwin’s teammate in the g league, and no joke was one of the most selfish players I’ve ever seen. Admittedly haven’t seen him anywhere else though.
