Politics Bob Woodward's new book...

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  1. MarAzul

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    Had to look it up. I suppose you mean this one;
    "represented as leaping (rampant but leaning forward)"

    Well actually I was not even thinking of the disabled part of the man.
     
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    Likely not me.

    Driving from Bandon to the boat yesterday, I listened to an interview with the author of a new book. The Gun Club.
    I think I need to read this one. I heard the guy say a few things that were wrong, I have to read the whole thing.
    by Robert Fowler.
     
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    The Nobel (I'm assuming that's what you mean by Peace Prize) is given out by a committee in Norway and has nothing to do with journalism.
     
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    ...anyone notice that in a few instances in the the "op-ed", that instead of saying "I am...." it says "WE are..."....so I'm assuming that there is more than ONE person in on this.
     
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    Thanks Spud. You are correct.
     
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    ...dalincolnjones and marz also failed to acknowledge that their boy Trump has also been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

    ...but hey, we can't let facts get in the way.
     
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    ...wouldn't be a bit surprised if Woodward gets a Pulitzer for this one too....damn liberals ! :bgrin:
     
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    Woodward and Carl Bernstein were both assigned to report on the June 17, 1972, burglary of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in a Washington, D.C., office building called Watergate. Their work, under editor Ben Bradlee, became known for being the first to report on a number of political "dirty tricks" used by the Nixon re-election committee during his campaign for re-election. Their book about the scandal, All the President's Men, became a No. 1 bestseller and was later turned into a movie. The 1976 film, starring Robert Redford as Woodward and Dustin Hoffman as Bernstein, transformed the reporters into celebrities and inspired a wave of interest in investigative journalism.

    The book and movie also led to the enduring mystery of the identity of Woodward's secret Watergate informant known as Deep Throat, a reference to the title of a popular pornographic movie at the time. Woodward said he would protect Deep Throat's identity until the man died or allowed his name to be revealed. For more than 30 years, only Woodward, Bernstein, and a handful of others knew the informant's identity until it was claimed by his family to Vanity Fair magazine to be former Federal Bureau of Investigation Associate Director W. Mark Felt in May 2005. Woodward immediately confirmed the veracity of this claim and subsequently published a book, titled The Secret Man, that detailed his relationship with Felt.

    Woodward and Bernstein followed up with a second book on Watergate, entitled The Final Days (Simon and Schuster 1976), covering in extensive depth the period from November 1973 until President Nixon resigned in August 1974.


    Was going to look up each award but just got busy, and frankly, it would make zero difference.


    Media bias is not a fiction

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/h...robably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28
     
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    That's actually not true, POTUS just feels he should win it (for his meeting with Little Rocket Man that didn't accomplish anything) and I assume his base agrees. I suppose the Nobel Committee could be considering it (yeah right :crazy:) but we'll never know unless he wins it because they don't ever release their list of nominees.
     
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    I would not be surprised.
     
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    Journalism accolades are best known as Pulitzers. I'm sure there are others but Pulitzers are the best.
     
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    I would give it very little chance, even after all goes as planned, if we are so fortunate.
     
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    If he can figure out and solve the North Korea issue he deserves a Nobel! And I agree, that would be very fortunate for all of us.
     
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    ...actually yes,...here you go;

    http://fortune.com/2018/06/13/trump-nobel-peace-prize/
     
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    Naw guys, used the same wiki page you guys were on


    • Woodward has been accused of exaggeration and fabrication regarding "Deep Throat," his Watergate informant. Ever since W. Mark Felt was announced as the true identity behind Deep Throat, John Dean[45] and Ed Gray,[46] in separate publications, have used Woodward's book All The President's Men and his published notes on his meetings with Deep Throat to argue that Deep Throat could not have been only Mark Felt. They argued that Deep Throat was a fictional composite made up of several Woodward sources, only one of whom was Felt. Gray, in his book In Nixon's Web, even went so far as to publish an e-mail and telephone exchange he had with Donald Santarelli, a Washington lawyer who was a Justice Department official during Watergate, in which Santarelli confirmed to Gray that he was the source behind statements Woodward recorded in notes he has attributed to Deep Throat.[47] However, Stephen Mielke, an archivist at the University of Texas who oversees the Woodward-Bernstein papers, said it is likely the page was misfiled under Felt because no source was identified. The original page of notes is in the Mark Felt file but "the carbon is located with the handwritten and typed notes attributed to Santarelli." Ed Gray said that Santarelli confirmed to him that he was the source behind the statements in the notes.[48]
    • J. Bradford DeLong has noted considerable inconsistencies between the accounts of the making of Clinton economic policy described in Woodward's book Maestro and his book The Agenda.[49]
    • Some of Woodward's critics accuse him of abandoning critical inquiry to maintain his access to high-profile political actors. Anthony Lewis called the style "a trade in which the great grant access in return for glory."[50] Christopher Hitchens accused Woodward of acting as "stenographer to the rich and powerful."[51]
    • Writer Tanner Colby, who co-wrote a biography of John Belushi with the late actor's widow Judy, wrote in Slate that, while Woodward's frequently criticized 1984 book Wired: The Short Life and Fast Times of John Belushi is largely accurate in its description of events, Woodward either gets the context wrong or doesn't find any context at all. For example, Belushi's grandmother's funeral, which led him to make a serious effort to sober up, gets merely a paragraph in Woodward's retelling, while a 24-hour drug binge in Los Angeles goes on for eight pages simply because the limo driver was willing to talk to Woodward. "It's like someone wrote a biography of Michael Jordan in which all the stats and scores are correct, but you come away with the impression that Michael Jordan wasn't very good at playing basketball," he concluded. Because it was unique among Woodward's books in that it made no use of confidential or anonymous sources, Colby was able to interview many of the same sources that Woodward had used, making comparisons of their recollection of events to Woodward's accounting of them relatively easy.[52]
    • Woodward believed the Bush administration's claims of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction before the war, and the publication of the book At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA by former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet led Woodward to engage in a rather tortuous account of the extent of his pre-war conversations with Tenet in an article in The New Yorker in which he also chastised New York Times op-ed columnist Maureen Dowd for being critical of him.[53]
    • Woodward was also accused of fabricating a deathbed interview with CIA Director William Casey, as described in Veil. Critics say the interview simply could not have taken place as written in the book.[54][55][56][57] Robert M. Gates, Casey’s deputy at the time, in his book "From the Shadows", recounts speaking with Casey during this exact period. Gates directly quotes Casey saying 22 words, even more than the 19 words Woodward said Casey used with him.[58] The CIA’s internal report found that Casey "had forty-three meetings or phone calls with Woodward, including a number of meetings at Casey’s home with no one else present" during the period Woodward was researching his book.[59] Gates was also quoted saying, "When I saw him in the hospital, his speech was even more slurred than usual, but if you knew him well, you could make out a few words, enough to get sense of what he was saying."[60] Following Casey's death, President Ronald Reagan wrote: "[Woodward]'s a liar and he lied about what Casey is supposed to have thought of me."[61]
    Commentator David Frum has said, perhaps partly tongue-in-cheek, that Washington officials can learn something about the way Washington works from Woodward's books: "From his books, you can draw a composite profile of the powerful Washington player. That person is highly circumspect, highly risk averse, eschews new ideas, flatters his colleagues to their face (while trashing them to Woodward behind their backs), and is always careful to avoid career-threatening confrontation. We all admire heroes, but Woodward's books teach us that those who rise to leadership are precisely those who take care to abjure heroism for themselves."[62]

    Despite these criticisms and challenges, Woodward has been praised as an authoritative and balanced journalist. The New York Times Book Review said in 2004 that "No reporter has more talent for getting Washington's inside story and telling it cogently."[63]
     
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    shmee never Trumpers.

    Or could it be another made up source? We have seen a lot of that
     
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    lol, it's obvious you didn't even read what you copied and pasted...if you had, you surely would have omitted the very last line in what you pasted; Despite these criticisms and challenges, Woodward has been praised as an authoritative and balanced journalist. The New York Times Book Review said in 2004 that "No reporter has more talent for getting Washington's inside story and telling it cogently."[63

    ...but hey, as promised...enjoy;


    Career recognition and awards
    Although not a recipient in his own right, Woodward made crucial contributions to two Pulitzer Prizes won by The Washington Post. First, he and Bernstein were the lead reporters on Watergate and the Post won the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service in 1973.[8] He was also the main reporter for the Post's coverage of the September 11 attacks in 2001. The Post won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting for 10 of its stories on the subject.[9]

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    Woodward at the National Press Club in 2002
    Woodward himself has been a recipient of nearly every major American journalism award, including the Heywood Broun award (1972), Worth Bingham Prize for Investigative Reporting (1972 and 1986), Sigma Delta Chi Award (1973), George Polk Award (1972), William Allen White Medal (2000), and the Gerald R. Ford Prize for Reporting on the Presidency (2002). In 2012, Colby College presented Woodward with the Elijah Parish Lovejoy Award for courageous journalism as well as an honorary doctorate.[10]

    Woodward has authored or co-authored 18 nonfiction books in the past 35 years. All 18 have been national bestsellers and 12 of them have been No. 1 national nonfiction bestsellers—more No. 1 national nonfiction bestsellers than any contemporary author.

    In his 1995 memoir, A Good Life, former Post Executive Editor Ben Bradlee singled out Woodward in the foreword. "It would be hard to overestimate the contributions to my newspaper and to my time as editor of that extraordinary reporter, Bob Woodward—surely the best of his generation at investigative reporting, the best I've ever seen.... And Woodward has maintained the same position on top of journalism's ladder ever since Watergate."[11]

    David Gergen, who had worked in the White House during the Richard Nixon and three subsequent administrations, said in his 2000 memoir, Eyewitness to Power, of Woodward's reporting, "I don't accept everything he writes as gospel—he can get details wrong—but generally, his accounts in both his books and in the Post are remarkably reliable and demand serious attention. I am convinced he writes only what he believes to be true or has been reliably told to be true. And he is certainly a force for keeping the government honest."[12]

    In 2001, Woodward won the Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism.[13]

    Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard called Woodward "the best pure reporter of his generation, perhaps ever."[14] In 2003, Albert Hunt of The Wall Street Journal called Woodward "the most celebrated journalist of our age." In 2004, Bob Schieffer of CBS News said, "Woodward has established himself as the best reporter of our time. He may be the best reporter of all time."[15]

    In 2014, Robert Gates former director of the CIA and Secretary of Defense, said that he wished he'd recruited Woodward into the CIA, saying, "He has an extraordinary ability to get otherwise responsible adults to spill [their] guts to him...his ability to get people to talk about stuff they shouldn't be talking about is just extraordinary and may be unique."[16]

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    Woodward and Carl Bernstein were both assigned to report on the June 17, 1972, burglary of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in a Washington, D.C., office building called Watergate. Their work, under editor Ben Bradlee, became known for being the first to report on a number of political "dirty tricks" used by the Nixon re-election committee during his campaign for re-election. Their book about the scandal, All the President's Men, became a No. 1 bestseller and was later turned into a movie. The 1976 film, starring Robert Redford as Woodward and Dustin Hoffman as Bernstein, transformed the reporters into celebrities and inspired a wave of interest in investigative journalism.

    The book and movie also led to the enduring mystery of the identity of Woodward's secretWatergate informant known as Deep Throat, a reference to the title of a popular pornographic movie at the time. Woodward said he would protect Deep Throat's identity until the man died or allowed his name to be revealed. For more than 30 years, only Woodward, Bernstein, and a handful of others knew the informant's identity until it was claimed by his family to Vanity Fair magazine to be former Federal Bureau of InvestigationAssociate Director W. Mark Felt in May 2005. Woodward immediately confirmed the veracity of this claim and subsequently published a book, titled The Secret Man, that detailed his relationship with Felt.

    Woodward and Bernstein followed up with a second book on Watergate, entitled The Final Days (Simon and Schuster 1976), covering in extensive depth the period from November 1973 until President Nixon resigned in August 1974.

    The Woodward and Bernstein Watergate Papers are housed at the Harry Ransom Centerat the University of Texas at Austin.
     
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    ..."made up"?...instead assuming stuff is "made up" why not actually take the time to research BEFORE spouting off?...it might just save you a lot of grief.
     
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    Ha!

    This is pretty funny.
     
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    That's not actually the committee, it's a couple right wing members of Norway's Progress Party who wrote a letter to the committee requesting a nomination. Some Republicans in the house wrote a letter to the committee as well. Actually I guess we're both right, what does an official nomination entail?

    There's a possibility he could win this year, the awards are always given out on December 10th, but if he doesn't we won't actually know if he was actually considered by the committee as a nominee.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-nobel-peace-prize/
     

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