Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

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  1. RR7

    RR7 Well-Known Member

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    Confused by this as well. Looking through the rosters during Olshey's tenure, and I'm not really seeing when this exactly occurred.
     
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    Was during Plumlees tenure. We had a surplus of bigs and needed help at SF. The thought back then was Olshey would use that surplus to eventually acquire one. Instead he traded Plumlee for another big.

    We had

    Plumlee
    Kaman
    Davis
    Meyers
    Vonleh
    Alexander

    And Aminu was playing a ton of PF as well.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Keep CJ in the deal and they contend this year.
     
  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    So if he played 1% of his time at small forward, and 50% of his time at power forward....... where did he play the other 49% of his time?

    If we want a more fair comparison, we can look at his numbers when he was a full time small forward back during his first season in Portland (or at least he played 32% of his time at small forward compared to only 26% at power forward)

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    So during that season, he played better at power forward, BUT if you just take the raw stats from that season at small forward and compare them to the raw stats of him playing mostly power forward, we have:

    SF PER - 12.5
    OP SF PER - 13.9

    PF PER - 13.8
    OP PF PER - 18.4

    It still pencils out that he plays better at small forward. He's a net negative of -4.6 PER as a power forward. He's only a net negative of -1.4 PER as a small forward. A better question is why is he so much worse at power forward now than back in 2015 when he played with Plumlee?
     
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  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    This is also interesting

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    CJ is a net negative of -2.6 when you look at his on vs off the court numbers, but he outplays his opponent on average, so their "simple rating" is a +1.8.

    Aminu is a +5.5.

    Harkless is a -3.5
     
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  6. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Also interesting, Butler has a higher Simple Rating than Dame. +14.2

    AND a higher net production of On/Off the court of +13.6 compared to Dame's +11.3.

    Dame has a higher production net though.

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    Butler's numbers are pretty fucking staggering. If you put him with Dame and Nurk..... I don't know... that team could be pretty scary.

    http://www.82games.com/1718/17MIN8.HTM
     
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    It's the % of the team's minutes, not his own. Out of all of the PF minutes for the blazers, he played 50% of them. For all of the SF minutes for the Blazers, he played 1%.
     
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    Aminu is a problem as a full time SF because then we have limited ball handling and shot creation on the floor.

    Stats like those are interesting but they don't take in all factors.
     
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    That's why some of us are so adamant that we ought to trade for Buttler. Production wise, CJ and Butler are not even in the same zip code. If you can make that trade, you do it.. no questions asked
     
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    Harkless isn't any better in either of those departments.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I'm also not convinced that CJ won't want to leave when his contract is up. His aspirations seem much bigger than Portland.
     
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    Aminu is a problem as a full time STARTER, regardless of position. He's a natural bench player, not a starter.
     
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    Mo & Wiggins are similar in that they are both really laid back guys and sometimes just go through the motions.
     
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    You know what sucks about this thread is its got me thinking about Dame, Butler and Nurkic on the same team. Which I kind of know wont happen...
     
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    We have the best back court in the league and everyone’s jealous, stop crying, nerd.
     
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    Also keep getting swept in the playoffs no ones jealous of that. :iamsmiling:
     
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    I’m a huge NO on Butler. Fuck him.
    I’m very open to dealing CJ just not for him.
     
  19. TorturedBlazerFan

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    For basketball reasons? or you just dont like him?
     
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    For non basketball reasons. 100% against adding him.
     
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