Politics Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing, now with New allegations!

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Will Kavanaugh be confirmed?

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  1. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...it's OK, man...you're still a member of The American Barfo Association.
     
  2. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Seems like if ever there was a "nuclear option" time, it's now, right? I mean, assume the R's do whatever they need to do to get Kavanaugh in. Even if the Blue Wave does materialize this fall (I have my doubts, but whatever), they can't vote him and Gorsuch out. So then they're stuck hoping that somehow Breyer and RBG both outlive/outwork Thomas and Alito, or else it's 5-2/5-3 until Trump gets his next pick (likely a compromise candidate, but what the F*** does that look like in "scorched earth politics mode"?) and even if a D wins in 2020 keeping the SEnate they can only get back to a 5-4 deficit.

    It's not like I'm being original in this. This scenario has likely been Fear #1 of the D's since Kennedy retired. They tried to filibuster Gorsuch (for an old, fake plagiarism matter, iirc), but this is it for them for the next generation or so. Knowing that every step towards the Bright New Future can be struck down for the next generation for unconstitutionality is a powerful motivator for people (and especially politicians) to do all manner of sordid things.

    @dviss1 , it's interesting to me that you think the D's are not being cutthroat or playing in the mud. By my (admittedly not-as-up-to-speed-as-many count), the R's/Trump have:
    a) started to do Presidential bidding through Executive Orders when he couldn't get congressional support (see: DACA and Obama's "so sue me" comment)
    b) held up the nomination of a SC judge in an election year (according to McConnell/Grassley's invocation of the Biden Rule)
    c) placed Gorsuch onto the Supreme Court (by McConnell invoking the Harry Reid Option)
    ...basically, using the low-down-dirty political tricks of the Democrats against them. In a way McConnell predicted. And in a way that Harry Reid still stands by.
     
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  3. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Apologies for not reading the first 1200 posts in this thread, but for the guys stating that Kavanaugh should be disqualified or that he's perjuring himself, what was it in the testimony of Ford that changed this from a vague allegation into anything resembling reasonable cause? Even the prosecutor briefed the Judiciary that she couldn't even get a search warrant based on the testimony--how can you remotely suggest a crime? The people she said could corroborate it said they don't.



    I'm not challenging, I'm asking because guys like Barfo generally see the world in a different manner than I do and I'm confused by this. Were this an accusation against me in this position I can't help thinking I'd feel similarly brutalized.
     
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    DaLincolnJones Well-Known Member

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    That is a tough question, D.

    I tend to believe both.

    I think that she believes what she is saying. I believe that she was is a situation like she described. I think she honestly thinks that it was Brett. I also believe that she is mistaken.

    As to Brett, I have to believe the evidence provided and his integrity he has lived his life by. I do not believe that he was the guy that did the deed.
     
  5. CupWizier

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    Kavanaugh allegedly lied around 5 or 6 times before the Ford allegation even came up.
     
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    CupWizier Well-Known Member

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    How's that fence sitting working for you? There isn't 2 truths. One is lying and one is telling the truth.
     
  7. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    People lie even with those consequences
     
  8. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    If he did assault her (and I think it's more likely than not that he did), then that's definitely the case.

    But in the unlikely event that he didn't assault her, you don't think it's possible that she's simply wrong rather than lying?
     
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    lmao...typomania
     
  10. CupWizier

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    She said with 100% confidence that it was Brett Kavanaugh and Mark Judge in the room with her. I don't see it as a case of mistaken identity as it comes down to he either did it and is lying, or he didn't do it and she is lying.
     
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  11. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Its going to happen. Don't have a link.

    Look I am not disputing that. We all know exactly how you both feel and think of one another. If you guys need to throw down about it PM each other.
     
  12. Chris Craig

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    He is lying
     
  13. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Agreed
     
  14. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Her memory can be faulty. She seems very easily confused and is totally scatterbrained.
     
  15. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    With character witnesses and contemporaneous backup of the parties she claims were there.

    She has produced nothing. While she may have experienced trauma and some kind of incident some time, she has not made any case to view her as reliable.
     
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  16. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Anything is possible.

    But, he did it.

    I am convinced. I watched both testimonies. Bro judge is a liar. He did it.

    Besides

    Occam's razor says so
     
  17. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    He is lying
     
  18. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    You just hate bros.
     
  19. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    A decorated judge with a litany of character witnesses supporting him.

    Who has come out to support Ford?
     
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  20. Chris Craig

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    No I don't. Just bros who treat women like objects and casualty and rape them
     
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