Game Thread Preseason Game #1 - Blazers vs Raptors in Vancouver BC

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Seriously, Ed was one of my favorite players, and is better than Zach Collins today, but Ed was the past and Zach is the future. It's possible to still like Ed while also realizing that we need to see what we have in Zach Collins.

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That assumes Collins will become a Sterling Starter, much better than Davis. At present, Collins is much worse than Davis. His Pillar Potential may live only in Olshey's head, along with McCollum's potential to back up Lillard at PG, another figment of Olshey's wandering mind. Should I list Olshey's other misevaluations?

Translation: Olshey pre-decided the future without waiting to see whether it will come true.

 

You are now on IGNORE again. Don't bother replying cause I won't see it.

 

My only counter to this is that decision should have been made on February 8th when the Blazers had just lost 3 in a row and were 29-25. They could've possibly gotten a 2nd round pick and ducked the luxury tax line instead of paying Chicago to take Vonleh. They also could've used that 2nd round pick to get Trent easier instead of giving up two future 2nd rounders.

 

Collins is "much worse" than Davis? Even if that was the case last year you would be expecting Collins to show zero improvement for that to still be true.

 

When and if Collims surpasses Davis, that's when to move Davis. Olshey has been wrong more times than right, so it may never happen. Last year Davis was our 4th-best player, and Collins was about our 4th-worst, and that's per minute. Collins needs at least another year to exceed Davis, if ever.

 

So there is absolutely no value in trying to accelerate the growth of Collins?

 

Don’t mean to be a dick but, what improvement have you seen so far? I expect him to improve a little but not enough to catch ed Davis. There is a wide gap between Collins and Davis, a real wide gap, and I haven’t seen anything from Collins that tells me he is ready for an increased role.

 

I've already stated that I think Collins is better than Davis defensively or at least more suited for today's NBA. Offensively he's quoting stats from last year. They haven't even played a real game yet so we have no data to compare Collins growth from last year to this year and how that compares to Davis from last year.

It's fine to not believe in Collins, I get that some people want to see better results and that there is no patience for development anymore. A couple of you are making Ed out to be an All-NBA level player, he's not. He's a decent role player off the bench. Get outta here with this "real wide gap" stuff.

 

I think there is patience and the blazers are obviously giving him every opportunity to grow but we’re talking about a kid who averaged like 2ppg and played a decent amount of backup minutes. Maybe in two years he averages 10ppg? Good defense and 10ppg, that’s ed Davis like it or not. That’s what you hope he can become if he develops anything even remotely passing for an offensive game (big ol if)... anyone who can only manage to score one bucket per game has a wide gap not just between them and ed but between them and ANY other solid rotation player in the nba.

There are a lot of posters on here who are under the impression Zach is close to some sort of breakthrough. While I really hope that is the case, I don’t think that is based on any sort of reality. It’s based on fandom, which I get, but highly unlikely it ever comes to fruition.

 

Oh, Collins is gonna shine alright. If not this year then next.

I will miss Ed and dearly wish we had kept him.

 

You should probably look up the actual stats next time. Ed Davis averaged 5.3 points per game last year. Zach Collins average 4.4. Per 36 minutes.......wait for it.....they both averaged the exact same 10.1 points. Your "reality" is a little off.

 

Ed was a much more efficient scorer though, for a 7footer zachs %’s were so bad. The difference is Ed knew he couldnt shoot and Zach hasnt figured that out yet. Now to be fair his form looks ok, so eventually maybe it’ll start falling. Ed played within his role, and hardly ever took bad shots.

 

I know, I've already stated several times that the percentages offensively were all in Ed's favor, except of course 3 pointers.

 

Yes you stated that, but I also wanted too heh.

 

What we will miss has NOTHING to do with Ed's scoring.

 

They’ll need his shirtless bod to raise moral.