Politics Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing, now with New allegations!

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  1. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Don't project, man. I did original research and posted something I found interesting, based on your exact words. If you disagree, let's talk. If you project, peace.
     
  2. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Now you are just making shit up.
     
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    Yeah, you misread that. I'm speaking about the court of public opinion.
     
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    Oh you aren't keeping up I see. You need to pay better attention. This is from the FBI investigation:

    WASHINGTON — In the days leading up to a public allegation that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh exposed himself to a college classmate, the judge and his team were communicating behind the scenes with friends to refute the claim, according to text messages obtained by NBC News.

    Kerry Berchem, who was at Yale with both Kavanaugh and his accuser, Deborah Ramirez, has tried to get those messages to the FBI for its newly reopened investigation into the matter but says she has yet to be contacted by the bureau.

    The texts between Berchem and Karen Yarasavage, both friends of Kavanaugh, suggest that the nominee was personally talking with former classmates about Ramirez’s story in advance of the New Yorker article that made her allegation public. In one message, Yarasavage said Kavanaugh asked her to go on the record in his defense. Two other messages show communication between Kavanaugh's team and former classmates in advance of the story
     
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    I believe I addressed this issue before in this thread (but I am sure it is easy to miss) - and I think there should be term limits to most of these positions - senate, congress, supreme court judges etc...

    This would solve an awful lot of stuff here.

    An alternate option, given that you "lose" institutional knowledge here - is that the supreme court judges go to re-confirmation every X years, just as senators / congress members go for re-election.
     
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    I feel though, that term-limit arguments, which isn't up for debate here, tend to focus on the inability, once inside the system, to get someone "voted out". Just as an example, from politics here in FL:
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    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...ss-has-11-approval-ratings-96-incumbent-re-e/
     
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    Fair enough. I've seen enough of that type spouted that that's where my head immediately went.

    You weren't active when we were talking about the "job interview" aspect about 100 posts ago, so I'd be interested in your thoughts on what got brought up. If this was a job interview (I contend it's not, but I get why someone would say that) then he would be under significantly more protections from these allegations than he is. Not to say it shouldn't be brought up or investigated fully, but it cannot legally be a job interview.
     
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    ...it's not about getting fired, it's about getting hired going forward...but you already knew that, right?

    ...but according to you she subjected herself to to public ridicule, death threats, huge security fees, etc., all in return for money that she did not know in advance that would come to fruition, much less the amount from a gofundme account she could not have known about in advance and she did not initiate herself.

    ...where do you get this twisted logic from?...It seems you simply type anything that comes to mind without really thinking or researching.
     
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  9. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    NBC News is the FBI? And there is nothing there about the FBI concluding that he exposed his junk to her.

    Ramirez was interviewed by the FBI. Nothing more.
     
  10. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    I don't think fame and fortune were her objectives.

    I think she is likely a never trumper trying to stop him or his agenda at all costs. Liberals are so fucking triggered, living in a fantasy world.
     
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    There's a thought that, starting ASAP, you "retire" a judge every 2 years, so that for the next 18 you're cycling in new candidates, basically ensuring that a President will always get to pick 2.
    I don't love that the Judiciary should have term limits. In my view of the current events, if Kavanaugh had been confirmed last month without anyone stepping forward with allegations, he'd be sitting on the Court "for life", but able to be impeached if he ran afoul of "good behavior." Again, in my mind, if Dr. Ford came forward at, say, Christmas this year and dropped the allegations and the investigation proved her right, he would be impeached quickly. So I don't know how term limits would solve the problem.
     
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    Job interviews for SCOTUS are and should be unique.

    The guy they were gonna hire instead of Anthony smoked weed.

    He wasn't confirmed.

    Kennedy's appointment was one of the most vetted EVER.

    As it should be.
     
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    I think term limits would achieve one thing, which would be to eliminate the weird motivation to nominate someone really young (and thus relatively inexperienced) so that they can serve a long time, and at the same time also have people on the court that are really really old, and maybe not thinking as clearly as they did in their prime. If it was term-limited you might get more judges in the prime of their lives.

    barfo
     
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    The FBI has interviewed her and based upon Kavanaugh's cover his ass texts have concluded her statement to be true. He's unraveling.
     
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    Fair point, but I'm not sure. I mean, yeah, I think Clarence Thomas' nomination (I was in HS, then) seemed to just want to get a young-ish conservative African-American into the seat so the wouldn't have to worry about it for a while. He's seemed to be an ok jurist. I don't think Kagan and Sotomayor (and now, Gorsuch) are going to be bad judges because they're only in their 50's. I'd say 30 years or so in the law, especially a decade or so in higher courts, should adequately prepare someone.

    Back to the point, if Kavanaugh raped someone he should be hammered. If he drank as a teenager and that's what's supposed to disqualify him, then Thurgood Marshall (who I have a lot of respect for, though I don't like his approach to ruling), who was almost kicked out of college for hazing multiple students. If he's allowed his bias to get into his rulings illegally, he should not be confirmed. But I'd submit that Kagan's biases color her decisions, which is kind of why we have 9 judges, right?
     
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    No such conclusion has occured
     
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    ...stop with the BS damage control/back peddling... you know damn well when first asked about her motive you immediately brought up the gofundme accounts and even exaggerated the amount.
    ...are you denying that?...I'll gladly repost your quotes if your memory is failing you again.
     
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    It was stated that she had absolutely nothing to gain and I said she got all this money from the GoFundMe Jesus fucking Christ. I never said it was her motive, but she has stuff to gain. I think her motive is political or she was obsessed with alpha male Brett when she was younger and he didnt know who the fuck she was.
     
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