CJ off the second unit

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  1. TorturedBlazerFan

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    I understand and a fair amount of tinkering and lining up match ups is absolutely ok in my mind. Its when guys clearly done really know their roles are, what to expect for playing time or just things that seem like a guy is totally out of sync with the rest of the team.
     
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    I don't get where you get this from the rest of the information. Everyone is saying Dame and CJ play 99% together, and CJ has made it clear that his ego is too big for the bench.

    I don't disagree that it would be interesting to see something like Baldwin, Dame, Harkless, Aminu, Nurkic followed by Curry, CJ, ET, Collins, Biggie (or small with Layman), but I can't see CJ ever agree with that.
     
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    Yeah you want them all to fit in, but I meant five men out and five men in all at once.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Hockey substitutions. No one really does anything like that in the NBA on a regular basis. Pops does in once in a while, yanks all 5 starters to send them a message, but even he doesn't do it on a nightly basis.

    BNM
     
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    Right. That's a 10 man rotation. There's also fatigue, injuries, and foul trouble that comes into play with the rotation.
     
  6. Natebishop3

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    They mentioned in that podcast that they heard some bad stuff about Caleb last season.

    I wonder what that was? Bad attitude? Lazy?
     
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    Those kind of mass substitutions usually stop at the youth level.
     
  8. Scalma

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    I stopped listening after the bench talk, but during it they mentioned he might’ve had trouble adjusting to the nba life? Was used to being the man in college. Maybe he got lazy? He definitely gained weight, so it’s probably not too far off.
     
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    The only time Ive actually seen a pro coach try it was Pops (besides end of games scenarios). He didnt try it for a long time, but I remember a couple years ago he kind of experimented with it.
     
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    According to this:
    https://www.nba.com/blazers/forwardcenter/podcast-rip-city-report-episode-144

    I was afraid of this: Turner is going to be given all the minutes that should go to Baldwin, and as you can't play two non-shooters, Stauskas is going to get minutes and Baldwin is going to get a bunch of DNPs.

    Also, sounds like Collins is looking disappointing. That should make Olshey nervous, given that he was picked over Mitchell.
     
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    Might be a good time to trade him. Maybe not Butler, but someone like Middleton?
     
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    Trade Turner yes!!!!! lol
     
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    I remember in 08 Portland had a pretty deep rotation. Not sure it was 5 off 5 on at the same time but i remember Oden and Joel were splitting time at center, while Outlaw, Rudy, Sergio, Frye, and Bayless all saw minutes as well.
     
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    God this is a terrible podcast. Two people with zero personality and totally vanilla takes.
     
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    Is Gillooly available?
     
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    We discussed this before. ;)

    Im not sayign dont play 12 people, but I dont get your premis that this would cause fatigue and injuries when some teams have less of a rotation. 8-9 man. How does playing a few less minutes create fatigue and injuries?

    Hey, they are all youth compared to you and I!!! :)
     
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    There's nothing special about Casey. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time to get that job.
     
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    I get that my thread was merged, but one thing I mentioned in the title has not been mentioned in this thread: supposedly Swanigan has looked surprisingly good (and Collins not).
     
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    Ive heard and read all about how much stronger Zach looks this year, Id like to say i think he looks a little bigger but he still seems really skinny to me.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    That's not what he's saying - the opposite actually.

    What are the odds that all 10 of your players in your two 5-man units will always be healthy? What are the odds that none of the starters will get into foul trouble and have to play fewer minutes than the other 4 on any given night? What are the odds that all five of your starters will experience fatigue at the same rate? The odds of all of those things happening each and every night are almost zero. Therefore it makes little sense to have two five man units that enter and exit the game at exactly the same time.

    And that ignores the assumption that you will have back up players at all five positions that are worthy of significant/equal minutes.

    BNM
     
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