OT 2018-2019 Rip City Two FANTASY FOOTBALL

Yes.

 

I understand the objection.
I see the logic that you’re using, why have the rules if every situation we’ll amend the rules to get it done. It does create a situation where the rules feel very arbitrary.
The other side of that is having someone who can circumvent the rules because they believe the situation calls for it is pretty standard isnt it? We get a speeding ticket and a judge can decide not to punish us.
Now I realize the awkward part of this situation is the one with that veto power is also a player in the league. So its more akin to if Stotts could overturn an officials call he didnt like (I like this idea lol).

I get where you’re coming from. Next year assuming we play together we should all agree to whatever set of rules and just stick to it.

It looks like this trade was amended.

 

I hope Austin Hooper drops 30.

 

Give em 50 as long as he’s not playing against me lol.

 

Ok, just read all of the back and forth on this issue. I am one that likes to stick to rules, but I understand the adjusting of the rules if a majority of the league doesn't object. It does get murky with the commissioner being involved in the trade himself. I'd rather find solutions than have people upset with each other. What about having a Co-commissioner (or current treasurer @PtldPlatypus ) next year and their only responsibility is to step in a "arbitrate" trade timelines when the commissioner is involved in the trade? It might be a crap idea, but I would rather see solutions than league members genuinely upset with each other.

 

The trade is much more fair now that Cook isnt involved.

Bones - I said it before and I'll say it again. You need to relax. You get so fired up over nothing.

 

Yeah, I dislike that I've played a part in starting stuff on here because of trades I initiated. I think there are solutions such as having an arbitrator.
I think we should all give a big thank you to Bones for organizing the league and the Draft. I appreciate the work he's put in, and that shouldn't get lost here.
I think in terms of solutions we should put our brains together and come up with something next year that we stick to.

 

The speeding analogy is a bad one and you answered why. A judge wouldn't be allowed to preside over his own case. Besides the trade itself isn't against the rules.

How would you feel if Adam Silver allowed the Rockets to trade 1st round picks in multiple years for Jimmy Butler because he thought the trade was fair so he used it to justify the rules being circumvented? How about now that the trade deadline is passed if Roger Goodell still allowed a trade because he thought it wasn't collusion or because someone like Aaron Rodgers got hurt and they really needed a QB?

 

Well I answered those questions, with the Stotts analogy. So yeah I get it. I also said I think going into next year we should pick rules and stick to them. I guess it's not too late to do that now, but at the same time it would be yet another change of rules mid-season, which is the problem isn't it?

 

Perez - Sent you a trade offer. TY Hilton and K.Drake for Wentz.
I need a better QB.

 

I completely agree with having an impartial vice commissioner. Currently we have a voting process, I don't like that the process can be circumvented because one person who is involved in the trade thinks it's fair. What is the point of even having a voting process if someone can make a trade and then just say it's fair and it's going to go through? The whole point of the voting process is to make sure that everyone has a say.

 

Well there are set rules for this season already set in place. To avoid these situations, the solution is to make sure trades are made 48 hours before the player you want plays. If that doesn't happen, well you can still make the trade, you simply just miss one game with that player. It's not life and death, at least I think it is less important compared to keeping the peace among everyone in the league.

I like sticking to rules, but am also ok with adjusting on the fly if it's not ridiculous - this makes me seem wishy washy..haha

 

I agree.

 

And yes, @BonesJones has to put up with rounding up people to get enough in the league and setting up the draft and everything else that comes with overseeing the league. Thank you very much for doing that. Your efforts are not unappreciated.

 

The problem isn't that the rules themselves are changing, I'm totally fine with the rules being set whatever way the league wants. My issue is that we are changing the rules to make specific trades go through after the trades are agreed upon.

If you guys came in here and said you had agreed to a trade but it involves someone playing Thursday and you would appreciate if everyone voted as soon as possible so that the trade can go through or something along those lines it would be completely different. Instead we have a situation where the commish tells us it's going to go through unless there are any objections. I voiced my opinion and get told I am annoying and ruining the league even though I made a point to say that I would go along with whatever decision the rest of the league makes and not have a problem with it.

 

Part of my problem is that we've had this exact conversation I think 3 times now without any sort of resolution. Bones even said that he knew this would be my reaction. I said the other times that we should have in writing what the rules are. I'd be fine with a set of rules saying if a player is playing Thursday the trade will go through as long as it is made by this time the day before or if a trade is made by a certain time on Saturday that the trade will go through before the games on Sunday. Instead we have the last trade which was "close enough" to 24 hours prior to the game even though it was made a few minutes after. Now we have a trade that is made over 4 hours after the 24 hour period. I just want to know where the line is for being close enough.

 

I understand, and if I'm being honest mainly what I want is rules everyone's agreed too, and a process that's consistent, because we've had this similar conversation way too many times. I'm ok with 'skirting' the rules when it makes sense (which like @trailblazer18 ) makes me sound a little wishy washy, but I could definitely agree that maybe having someone who isn't playing be the one who gets to choose if it makes sense or not might make more sense. I know for some FF is serious, and I know there is money at stake (well for those who have a shot at winning lol), but it's still just a game to me, and I'm in it to have fun.

 

I need to add this to the conversation because this is why I feel so strongly about sticking to the rules. I want to be absolutely clear that this is not an attack on Bones personally and is simply about why my opinion is that the rules should be upheld in a fantasy football league using this trade as an example.

The trade itself seems fair. However the only reason Cook is included is because Ertz is on bye this week. Cook unfortunately is playing in a Thursday game. The timing would be incredibly difficult to pull off the trade but it was still agreed upon knowing that it would have to be sped up in order for it to work properly (Maybe not during discussions but even Bones himself stated that he knew what my reaction would be so he knew at the time of the trade). The commish then tells us on here that this trade is going through ahead of schedule and that people need to voice their opinion if they have objections. First off, not everyone from the league is on here so why isn't that same message put on the league page where everyone can see it? Second of all, I don't think it's right to ask for people's opinions and then completely devalue them. Instead of saying if the trade had no objections by 5:00 it would be pushed through all of a sudden it needs 4 objections now for it not to go through?

The trade itself had no vetoes but gets vetoed anyway because one person out of 12 disagreed with the trade process being altered not the trade itself? Now instead of having everyone get a vote the commish wants to take away everyone's input and make his the lone determining factor. The facts are simple. All 3 trades that have brought up an unwritten rule have involved the person making up the unwritten rule. Instead of seeing how that could make the league look extremely sketch his solution is to give himself more power to do whatever he wants. What's next? If a player he really wants is dropped on a Saturday afternoon should he be able to have that player come off of waivers before the games start Sunday morning because he needs him to cover a bye or an injury? You can say that is an extreme example but it's no different than a trade period.

Blurry lines are being created where there shouldn't be. To make matters worse the person with the power is arguing with someone who is voicing their opinion, especially when I said that I had no problem with the matter if everyone else was fine with it. I haven't voted to veto a single trade in this league yet I'm the bad guy ruining the league? Since it was at 1:15 in the morning I'm sure none of you saw it but he actually deleted one of his posts about me that makes my reaction seem more over the top than it was intended to be. If we had set rules or an impartial trade judge none of this would ever even come up. Now that the trade has been canceled it seems shady as fuck. I know this is going to sound ridiculous to some but I now have an issue with the trade being changed simply because the voting period was trying to be shortened and when one person mentioned that it shouldn't be without even voting for the trade to be denied the trade goes away and gets amended? Once again, completely avoidable.

Instead of the reaction that was made, why not ask if anyone else feels that way? Like I mentioned before why not just ask if everyone could please vote ASAP because the trade has timing issues? I'd have no problem with that and would be fine with it going through, but no instead of a cordial response we get our voting privileges revoked. A trade that should've gone through gets taken away too. It's a slippery slope.

 

For the record, I really like @BonesJones and my views about a fantasy football league have nothing to do with him personally nor would I think anything differently of him outside of this league based on something that happens in here. This has been a really fun league and the most active one I've ever been a part of, so thanks for setting it all up Bones. In the fantasy basketball league I don't really give a fuck what happens with the rules because there is nothing on the line. This league has actual money on the line and decisions like this one could influence the results which is why my vote is to always abide by the set rules and to take emotional decisions out of play.