Politics Democrats have owned this state for decades - what do we have to show for it?

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    What is the point if the system is overtaxed when most people need to ride it?
     
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    donkiez Well-Known Member

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    I agree our freeway system is not efficient. We could have planned it better. A lot of that is our geography though, the west hills bottleneck a lot of traffic. I-5 should not interchange in the city either and we need more bridges to Washington. Vancouver politicians are to blame for the bridge isse as much or more so than Oregon though, they boondoggled us bad on our last plan.
     
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    Over taxed is not unuseable. It's still fine in my opinion but could always be better.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    No, we're at fault for there not being a new I-5 bridge. Washington and Vancouver wanted one but we insisted on including light rail on it. Vancouver doesn't want Max. They don't want to go into business with Tri Met.

    We should have agreed to that and maybe someday talk about a light rail and pedestrian only bridge like Tillicum. Actually PSU had an excellent plan of converting the existing interstate bridge into light rail and pedestrian only while building a massive new auto bridge next to it.

    We fucked that up.
     
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  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    But all of those hundreds of millions could have been spent on freeways that were desperately needed decades ago.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    There was a time when I heard that MAX was a failure because the trains ran empty. Now MAX is a failure because the trains run full?

    For those of you who want more freeways. What city with more freeways do you like better?

    barfo
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    LA, because you can drive faster to the next traffic jam than anywhere else.

    Edit: ps And you can look at those horrific traffic accidents as you creep by with all the other rubber neckers.
     
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    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    I spent a couple of weeks in Albuquerque in October and couldn't help but notice how their freeways through town are typically 4-5 lanes in each direction compared with Portland's typical 2-3 lanes. What's up with that? Albuquerque's metro area population is less than half of Portland's. As a planning consultant, I have sat through numerous meetings with City and ODOT representatives who have said the general mantra on freeways that we can't build them fast enough to keep up with population growth. Well, no duh if you keep channeling transportation funds to light rail expansion. Remember that the first section of I-205 was funded by redirecting money from the proposed (and horribly named) Mt. Hood freeway. When was the last time they added lanes on the freeway system? I guess they're planning to add a lane to a stretch of I-205 between Tualatin and Oregon City in the next couple of years, but there's been precious little effort to make even a token effort at expanding the system. Now the plan being discussed is the idea of monitoring our cars and taxing people for the privilege of using the freeway during peak traffic hours. Brilliant! Spend nothing and tax people for the gridlock created by doing nothing.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Better mexican food.
     
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    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    San Diego (and I like Portland a lot, but it sure feels like a 40 years old that still tries to rock the skinny jeans with his pot belly hanging over).
     
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    You need a new West Side Freeway to Replace I-5. Starting at about Brooks, crossing the Willamette at about Newberg where the river turn East, runs up around the hills past Forest grove and crossing the Columbia near Kalama. Get that through traffic to hell out of down town. Then rip down the God awful strips of concrete running along the east bank of the Willamette and enjoy a beautiful river running through your City.
    After you do get the through traffic out of town, perhaps you need some more Columbia crossing but you have to wonder why? Why set up your system so that so many people want to live in Washington and work in Portland?

    If you are traveling or trucking from the south to the North, Cal or southern Oregon to north of Portland, Portland is one hell of a impediment ( either direction). Your Max doesn't do shit for this.
    Sit on I-205 heading north passing through Portland but parked instead in mid afternoon and watch the Max go by. Damn near empty with the track taking up as much ground as the 205 lanes North.

    Want out of town? Take a train instead of drive? Now try to get to the damn train station! Not too many people want to ride that Max that owns SW6th ave. It is a shit hole there these days. Not many cars though!!!
     
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    Although Krooked Kitzhaber made bank from Tom Steyer bribes through his wife.
     
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    You're thinking of Portland, which has not yet attained Statehood.

    Kate Brown committed a felony when she implemented her vote-buying wage-raise for Democrat-heavy voting districts while stiffing Republican-leaning communities.

    Maybe someone will file a lawsuit? :dunno:

    https://www.oregon.gov/boli/WHD/OMW/Pages/Minimum-Wage-Rate-Summary.aspx
     
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    My son HAS healthcare because of democrats.

    Republicans voted 50x to repeal his healthcare and take us back to the days where pre existing condition meant something.

    Knute Bueler wanted to BLOCK GRANT Medicaid.

    Cutting my son's healthcare is what Republicans have tried to do.

    Fuck them.
     
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    Fallacy.
     
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    http://mailtribune.com/news/happening-now/brown-suggests-closure-of-new-psychiatric-hospital
     
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    This makes the housing problem worse...
     
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    For the price it costs to run TriMet you could buy every taxpayer a car and give them free gas for life.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    We have a serious air quality problem right now. I'd like to see more light rail. Every light rail passenger is one less auto passenger.
     
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    Another bridge to WA benefits some Portlanders, but Portlanders need to pay for it. On the rare occasion that I travel in WA I cross up in the gorge.
     

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