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  1. Lanny

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    Word is the caravan has picked up the pace after being informed they would all be allowed to vote in last week's election in Florida if they can get to the polls by next Friday evening. :auto:
     
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    Yes, and they're carrying ebola and the consist largely of rapists, murderers, MS13 gang members and ISIS terrorists by the Millions. I've got a brilliant plan. Let's spend $200 Million on 5,000 soldiers who have no idea what to do guarding S.E. Texas. This would ensure that the 'Caravan' enters in their stated objective of the California border where they can be shipped at government expense by Rolls Royce automobiles to Florida for mass voting. Uncanny how Republicans can sniff out these evil plans.
     
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    More than 650 illegal immigrants crossing southern border detained in Arizona over two days

    By Lucia I. Suarez Sang | Fox News

    As thousands of troops deployed to the southern border await the arrival of a caravan of migrants heading towards the U.S., border patrol agents in Arizona have already been busy, detaining more than 650 illegal immigrants in just two days this week.

    Agents in the Yuma Sector said they detained 654 people – most reportedly being family units or unaccompanied minors from Guatemala - on Monday and Tuesday.

    Officials said the groups of illegal immigrants are not believed to be associated with the large caravan of mostly Central American migrants that have prompted the military deployment.

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection said Wednesday a group of 55 Central Americans waded across the Colorado River near Yuma and surrendered to agents after walking around vehicle barriers in the area.

    Former border patrol agent Jason Piccolo reacts to the approaching migrant caravan.

    “Larger numbers [of illegal immigrants] have started to illegally cross shallow portions of the Colorado River near Yuma,” a press release said.

    Vinny Dulesky, the special operations supervisor for Yuma Sector public affairs, told Fox News on Thursday that the majority of the groups came in through the east side of the port of entry and had cut through their metal fences to cross in.

    He said he did not know the extent of the damage to the fences, but expected fixing them could cost upwards of $1,600 for each one.

    “It can get pricey,” Dulesky said.

    CBP said apprehensions in the Yuma Sector are up more than 150 percent compared to the last fiscal year at this time. More than 3,600 people were apprehended in the month of October.

    Dulseky said they are predominantly seeing family units and unaccompanied minors attempting to enter the U.S. and that the tactics of the illegal immigrants are changing.

    “Instead of trying to avoid us, they are running to us, and claim asylum,” he said. “By doing that, it keeps them in the country longer.”

    Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Center for Immigration Studies, told Fox News on Thursday that the numbers were “very concerning and startling,” but consistent with trends across the border.

    “Yuma is seeing a huge spike and it’s a concern because they don’t have the facilities to process the cases,” she said, adding a majority of the people detained are released to local charities or even at bus stations because federal facilities are overwhelmed. “Most people apprehended and released are not staying in the area … they go join the illegal immigrant population.”

    U.S. Customs and Border Patrol director Pete Flores on what systems are in place to prepare for incoming migrants.

    According to CBP statistics, 60,745 people were apprehended or were deemed inadmissible while attempting to enter the U.S. illegally via the southern border in October, the first month of the fiscal year 2019 – compared to the 34,871 in the same month in fiscal year 2018.

    A total of 521,090 people were apprehended at the southern border in fiscal year 2018 – up 125 percent from 451,514 in fiscal year 2017. Just in Yuma, more than 26,000 people were apprehended in fiscal year 2018.

    Vaughan said the U.S. immigration system is not equipped to handle such an influx of people all at the same time, and drug cartels and smugglers have taken notice.

    “They have identified a route that gets people in and they funnel through as many people,” she said. “They move as much product as possible.”
     
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    Have you encountered an MS13 gang Lanny?
    Well I didn't think so.
     
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    Just because you once met some kids with Multiple Sclerosis doesn't mean they were a gang.
     
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    That might be correct. But then, that was the info the police passed on to me. They also asked me not to come back into that town. They told me where a Harborfreight was near Ventura.
    Can you imagine that? Instead of rounding these fuckers up, they tell me, it would be best if I don't come back. I don't particularly like the plan. I do like the plan of no more.
     
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    Did you edit my post?

    Did you delete one Wednesday night?
     
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    This might educate you on the situation. Your president likes to use fear to control American citizens.


    MYTH NO. 3
    Illegal immigrants are coming to the U.S. to expand the gang's reach.
    According to U.S. officials, MS-13 leaders in El Salvador are sending gang members to the United States to bolster local cells. As President Trump has equated “illegal immigrants” with MS-13 members who want to “pour into and infest our Country.”

    Yet only a minuscule share of undocumented immigrants who have entered the country in the past few years are linked to MS-13, according to Stephanie Leutert at the University of Texas. The overwhelming majority of those who have joined the gang in Central America have never left their countries. A Florida International University survey of mostly imprisoned gang members in El Salvador in 2016 showed that 91 percent have never been in the United States. Those who leave often do so because of family, joining the massive migration flows from Central America, not because the gang instructs or sponsors them. In many cases, they are trying to flee the group and its violence. As with other brand-name gangs that have spread in the United States, the growth of MS-13 seems to be linked more to the relocation of family groups than to a deliberate expansion plan.

    MYTH NO. 4
    To combat MS-13, stop immigration from Central America.
    Trump has made the case repeatedly that U.S. immigration laws have enabled MS-13 to infiltrate American communities. “I am calling on the Congress to finally close the deadly loopholes that have allowed MS-13, and other criminals, to break into our country,” he said in his State of the Union address this year. If that’s the case, then restricting illegal immigration and enforcing immigration laws are key in the fight against gangs, according to the Center for Immigration Studies (tagline: “Low-immigration, Pro-immigrant”).

    But most MS-13 members living in the United States joined the gang here, because of social conditions or life events, according to a study by InSight Crime and American University. As with many other street gangs, recruits often come from broken families or have parents who work several menial jobs to get by. Factors such as community services, the quality of the school system, a student’s peers in school and local law enforcement policies play more critical roles in determining the success of the gang than immigration. In Homestead, Fla., for instance, where the local government offers many of these salutary resources, a substantial and growing Central American immigrant community has produced no significant reports of MS-13 expansion.

    Research has shown that the best way to prevent the establishment of street gangs is to work with local communities to address the problems that push young people to seek refuge in such gangs. The ruthless fight against undocumented immigration within Hispanic communities will alienate some of these populations from the authorities and law enforcement organizations that could help.

    MYTH NO. 5
    MS-13 is a threat to communities all over America.
    The president says MS-13 has “literally taken over” U.S. cities, and the White House claims that the gang has “brought violence, fear, and suffering to communities” nationwide. “The MS-13 Gang Is a National Threat,” said a headline last year in the Trumpet, a Christian news magazine.

    Actually, MS-13 is not a large street gang; it’s not even among the biggest in the country. According to Justice Department data, it has some 10,000 members here — half the size of the Bloods and one-fifth the size of the 18th Street Gang (or Barrio 18), MS-13’s archenemy. While its activities in some cities are brutal, MS-13’s threat on American soil is concentrated in a few Hispanic communities, especially around Long Island, Los Angeles and Washington . Its primary targets are other teenagers who live in the same areas.
     
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    Yes, one sentence that was a personal insult.

    Last night? Which thread?
     
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    Geez! We have a enclave of dummies, right here in Portland!
    I have taken the MarAzul to every City on the West Coast over the past year and half. Up every river navigable single handed. Went shopping with my hand bag for supplies in every city on foot. I would say it was mostly and enjoyable experience, and I like to think the many people I talk with took some joy too. I had no trouble anywhere, but one City that has been over run with immigrants, including (according to the police) MS13. No trouble with Black people, or Hispanic people anywhere but one city that is in a ardent sanctuary County. The schools are overwhelmed there and for some reason the police subdued.

    You can find places like that in Oregon now too, not to this extreme, but it is near. Check out your school funding, check out the school populations in the belt around your metropolitan area.
    Finding a way from Scappoose to get south has been some what of a challenge. Getting on I5 to go south is terrible, so I wind my way through the hills around the metro area. To Forest grove, Yamhill Gaston, Carlton, Newberg, then to Brooks and I5. Getting stuck behind a school bus out there is an eye opener. One old house on 47, 14 children got off. Wow! A half mile down the road, 8 more got off at an ancient farm house. Still a ton of kids on this bus, but I managed to pass soon there after.

    Check out the State contribution per student in the districts in these areas. Especially @dviss1! I expected the state funding per immigrant child in Oregon, is perhaps 5 time as much per child in the districts with the most Black students.
     
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    If you say so dog. I expect it might provide an excuse for continuous faulty logic.
     
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    I hope they threw them all in jail and took their children away, otherwise they'll send they're tired, they're poor, they're huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of our teeming shore.
     
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    SALT LAKE CITY — The statistics from the Drug Enforcement Agency are both staggering and frightening.

    According to the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment report released earlier this month, death by drug poisoning is the "leading cause of injury death in the United States," outnumbering deaths by firearms, motor vehicle crashes, suicide and homicide, and has been that way since 2011. The number of drug deaths in the U.S. is at an all-time high, and the opioid threat has "reached epidemic levels," the report's executive summary states.

    In Utah, the problem is no different.

    "Utahns have a voracious appetite for prescription pills. That is just a fact," Brian Besser, Drug Enforcement Administration assistant special agent in charge, said Thursday. "Drugs that come in a bottle are abused in Utah."

    In addition to opioids, methamphetamine, heroin and even a resurgence in cocaine are problems in the Beehive State, he said.

    "The methamphetamine epidemic in this state right now is only being eclipsed by the media that is given to the opioid epidemic," Besser said.

    Utah is No. 1 in the nation in overdose deaths due to meth, he said.

    On top of that, there is now also the problem of drug dealers lacing all of these drugs with fentanyl, he said. And in the schools, marijuana is "rampant."

    The problem, Besser said, is "America has an insatiable appetite for drugs," and in Utah where there is wide-open land and rural roads, it's easy for drug dealers to move around.

    But law enforcers in Utah are continuing to do their part to curb the amount of drugs being distributed in the state. On Thursday, U.S. Attorney for Utah John Huber held a press conference with several local, state and federal law enforcement partners by his side, highlighting several recent successes in taking down drug trafficking organizations.

    In one case, seven people were charged in a 37-count indictment this week, accused of distributing drugs from St. George to Boise, Idaho, and "everything in-between," Huber said. He called them a "very sophisticated and profitable" group that, unlike other organizations that were busted, were all from Utah.

    Related story:
    Utah a growing market for cartels as law enforcement agencies work to curb drug traffic
    A by-the-numbers approach helps the UHP's team of two full-time sergeants and 13 part-time interdiction troopers make anywhere from 200 to 250 seizures of illegal drugs per year.

    Investigators seized 47 pounds of meth, 26 pounds of heroin, nearly $500,000 in cash and eight guns from the group. But Huber called it a "flash in the pan" compared to the total amount of drugs the group had been shipping. Law enforcers used wiretaps and other investigative tools to bring about charges.

    In another case, a Mexican national living in Taylorsville was charged by a federal grand jury on Wednesday with distributing meth and heroin, according to court documents, 33 pounds of meth were seized in that case.

    In a third case, 26 people connected to the same Honduran drug trafficking cells were charged with drug trafficking in six indictments. The charges followed a year-and-a-half long investigation, Huber said. Even though the people indicted are from Honduras, they were transporting drugs from Mexico into Utah, he said.


    Fourteen of the 26 indicted have been arrested. Of those 14, Huber said 13 were previously deported, including one person who has been deported seven times.

    Calling their crimes "outrageous criminal conduct" and stressing that many of those indicted had "no business being here," Huber said it was drug traffickers like these who exploit the weaknesses of Utahns and Americans.

    "They take our cash, they exploit our addictions, and they fuel our crime," he said. "In Utah and in much of our nation, drug trafficking fuels our violent crime problems."

    The Honduran group was responsible for trafficking mainly heroin and cocaine in Utah, according to investigators.


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    Are you still whining about your crap posts being edited or deleted?
     
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    Migrants get cool reception in Mexican border town
    By JULIE WATSON | Associated Press

    Residents stand on a hill before barriers, wrapped in concertina wire, separating Mexico and the United States, where the border meets the Pacific Ocean, in Tijuana, Mexico, Saturday, Nov. 17, 2018. Many of the nearly 3,000 migrants have reached the border with California. The mayor has called the migrants' arrival an "avalanche" that the city is ill-prepared to handle. (AP Photo/Marco Ugarte)

    TIJUANA, Mexico – Many of the nearly 3,000 Central American migrants who have reached the Mexican border with California via caravan said Saturday they do not feel welcome in the city of Tijuana, where hundreds more migrants are headed after more than a month on the road.

    The vast majority were camped at an outdoor sports complex, sleeping on a dirt baseball field and under bleachers with a view of the steel walls topped by barbed wire at the newly reinforced U.S.-Mexico border. The city opened the complex after other shelters were filled to capacity. Church groups provided portable showers, bathrooms and sinks. The federal government estimates the migrant crowd in Tijuana could soon swell to 10,000.

    Tijuana Mayor Juan Manuel Gastelum has called the migrants' arrival an "avalanche" that the city is ill-prepared to handle, calculating that they will be in Tijuana for at least six months as they wait to file asylum claims.

    While many in Tijuana are sympathetic to the migrants' plight and trying to assist, some locals have shouted insults, hurled rocks and even thrown punches at the migrants.

    Alden Rivera, the Honduran ambassador in Mexico, visited the outdoor sports complex Saturday. Rivera expects the migrants will need to be sheltered for eight months or more, and said he is working with Mexico to get more funds to feed and care for them. He expects the migrant numbers in Tijuana to reach 3,400 over the weekend, with another 1,200 migrants having made it to Mexicali, another border city a few hours to the east of Tijuana. An additional 1,500 migrants plan to reach the U.S. border region next week.

    Rivera said 1,800 Hondurans have returned to their country since the caravan first set out on Oct. 13, and that he hopes more will make that decision.

    "We want them to return to Honduras," Rivera said, adding that each migrant must weigh whether to go home, appeal for asylum in Mexico or wait in line to apply for asylum in the U.S.


    The Mexican Interior Ministry said Friday that 2,697 Central American migrants have requested asylum in Mexico under a program that the country launched on Oct. 26 to more quickly get them credentials needed to live, work and study in southern Mexico.

    Ivis Muñoz, 26, has considered returning to Honduras. The coffee farmer called his father in Atima, Honduras, on Saturday to consult on his next move a few days after being attacked on a beach by locals in Tijuana. His father told him to stick it out.

    Munoz was asleep on a beach in Tijuana with about two dozen other migrants when rocks came raining down on them around 2 a.m. Wednesday. He heard a man shout in the darkness: "We don't want you here! Go back to your country!" Munoz and the others got up and ran for cover, heading toward the residential streets nearby. As the sun rose, they hitched a ride on a passing truck to Tijuana's downtown. Now he is staying at the sports complex.

    "I don't know what to do," said Munoz. He fears the U.S. won't grant him asylum, and that he'll get deported if he tries to cross into the country without authorization.

    Carlos Padilla, 57, a migrant from Progreso, Honduras, said a Tijuana resident shouted "migrants are pigs" as he passed on the street recently. He did not respond. "We didn't come here to cause problems, we came here with love and with the intention to ask for asylum," Padilla said. "But they treat us like animals here."

    Padilla said he will likely return to Honduras if the U.S. rejects his asylum request.


    The migrants' expected long stay in Tijuana has raised concerns about the ability of the border city of more than 1.6 million to handle the influx.

    Tijuana officials said they converted the municipal gymnasium and recreational complex into a shelter to keep migrants out of public spaces. The city's privately run shelters have a maximum capacity of 700. The municipal complex can hold up to 3,000; as of Friday night there were 2,397 migrants there.

    Some business owners near the shelter complained on Saturday of migrants panhandling and stealing.

    Francisco Lopez, 50, owns a furniture store nearby. He said a group of migrants took food from a small grocery a few doors down, and he worries that crime in the area will rise the longer the migrants stay at the shelter.

    Trump, who sought to make the caravan a campaign issue in last week's elections, took to Twitter on Friday to aim new criticism at the migrants.

    "Isn't it ironic that large Caravans of people are marching to our border wanting U.S.A. asylum because they are fearful of being in their country — yet they are proudly waving ... their country's flag. Can this be possible? Yes, because it is all a BIG CON, and the American taxpayer is paying for it," Trump said in a pair of tweets.

    Associated Press writer Amy Guthrie in Mexico City contributed to this story.
     
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    Wow. What a bunch of racists
     
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    Didn't your president promise to clean that up? 2 years and it's still bad. WTF is the pumpkin doing?
     
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    @MARIS61 are you aware that there's a perception that ICE is like the KKK?
     

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