OT Gun control and Black People. That Adam, Her ruins everything

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  1. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    I was thinking about this some more


    My 45 year old personality in my 25 year old physique would be a great cop.

    My 25 year old self might have been too angry at times.
     
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    James Perez was my ex girlfriend's brother. He was pulled over for signaling too late. He was unarmed. He was killed 97 seconds after the stop. He was tased AFTER he was shot by the passenger side cop...

    This is why we kneel...

    PEREZ SHOOTING PROMPTS CHANGE
    Community organizes, Council passes resolution

    The shooting death of James Jahar Perez, the second unarmed African American motorist shot by Portland Police in two years, has motivated change.
    After the grand jury cleared Officers Jason Sery (#36878) and Sean Macomber (#37147) of criminal wrongdoing in killing Perez, District Attorney Mike Schrunk arranged a public inquest in late April. The three-day, televised event gave the public great insight into what was going on in the officers' minds on March 28 when they pulled Perez over in a parking lot in North Portland. Macomber said the car Perez was driving, a 1997 Mitsubishi, looked too expensive for the neighborhood. Macomber, who was driving the police car with Sery as his temporary partner that day, says he saw Perez and another man sitting in the parked car. After Sery ran the registration on the car, Macomber says he knew the person he saw in the driver's seat was too young to be the registered owner.

    They doubled back around the street. By that time the passenger was gone and Perez turned east on Fessenden Street. The officers claim that when Perez pulled into the parking lot of a laundromat, he engaged his turn signal closer than the required 100 feet from the turn. Macomber approached the car, which had tinted windows, and Perez rolled down the window. This was the point, Sery and Macomber claim, that they first knew that Perez was black. How they could tell how old he was, but not what his skin color was, remains a mystery.

    They claim Perez shouted back at them, but then as Macomber asked for a driver's license Perez mumbled answers. Sery stayed behind the car.When Perez began digging in his pocket, Macomber tried to control his movements by grabbing his left arm and pushing his head into the steering wheel. Sery moved up behind Macomber at the driver's door. They both instructed Perez to show his hands. Sery claims that when he saw Perez's hand slowly coming out of the right pants pocket which was "bulging," he thought they were in danger. He said "I'm going to shoot."

    Macomber moved slightly out of the way and Sery fired three times from a distance of about six feet. Macomber then fired his Taser, which ran continuously for over three minutes. He claims that he didn't know whether Perez was dead and still saw movement. However, since the Taser normally cycles for 5 seconds, emitting a 50,000 volt shock (see Taser article), at some point Macomber must have realized that if Perez were alive he was torturing the man. Apparently, the detectives checking the Taser after the incident found that it no longer functioned properly, probably having overheated.

    Sery's cold, formal responses contrasted with Macomber's more emotional tone at the inquest. Sery spoke about being unable to finish a career in the military because of a skiing accident, instead becoming a police officer in Billings, Montana, before transferring to Portland.

    The coroner, testifying to the cause of Perez's death, spent most of his time focusing on baggies of drugs supposedly found in Perez's mouth and pants pocket. He testified that he had to pry one of the bags from Perez's teeth to complete the autopsy. However, this does not explain how Perez was able to shout back at the officers when he was first pulled over. It also is not an excuse for killing him--neither Sery nor Macomber said anything about seeing or suspecting possession of drugs. Furthermore, drugs didn't kill him, bullets did.

    In short, the officers put Perez in a checkmate: They ordered him to show his hands, but then decided his hands were a threat. He was damned if he pulled his hand out, and damned if he didn't. As it happens, the only things found in his pocket were $7 and other harmless objects.

    The piece of testimony that probably cleared Sery in the grand jury was the testimony of Dr. William Lewinski, whose "action-reaction" theory teaches police that if you wait until you see a gun, you will be dead (see PPR #20). The Willamette Weekdiscovered that in 2001, a prosecutor in Columbus, Ohio said, "Dr. Lewinski said that if a police officer perceives a threat, he should shoot. He doesn't consider whether that perception is reasonable" (May 5).

    The outcome of the inquest was very limited, as the District Attorney instructed them to answer four questions (who died, when and where did they die, what caused the death, and how did they die?) but not to decide whether there was any criminal activity or negligence. Schrunk claimed this was because the Grand Jury had decided that issue the week before. However, the law governing the Inquest procedure does not prohibit such a judgment.

    Ultimately, the Inquest Jury came up with four simple answers, listing Perez, the date and location, the bullets, and homicide as answers to the four questions. Several community members cheered the verdict of "homicide," since Schrunk didn't adequately explain that it simply means one person took another person's life, and that the death was not the result of an accident, a suicide, or natural causes.

    In an unusual move, the Inquest Jury wrote a letter to the City, questioning whether Perez was a victim of racial profiling and wondering what would have happened if "tactics and training called for the officers to back off and radio for support" rather than confronting Perez.

    Despite the tragic nature of Perez's death, it has spurred more action from various quarters of the City. The usually staid City Club held a May 21 forum titled "Neighborhoods in the Cross Fire: Is Portland Trigger Happy?" featuring Officer Mike Stradley, a Neighborhood Coalition director, and a teenager.

    The Coalition of Black Men worked with the Oregon Bar Association to put on a forum May 22 on "Traffic Stops, Civil Rights, and You." The main speaker, Sheryl Robinson, is a consultant with Kroll Government Services who oversees the federal monitoring decree imposed on Detroit, MI. Robinson's advice was fairly routine, suggesting it is usually best to follow police directions and complain about misconduct later. Her most significant comment, highlighted in the May 25 Portland Tribune, was that an independent agency which takes civilian complaints about police but does not have its own investigators is "very unusual" and "not best practices." We have been telling the city that for over twelve years, and it reflects badly on the Independent Police Review Division (IPR--see article).

    After the grand jury verdict, two protests took place on April 23 and 24. The second event was organized by Arissa, a group whose previous posters about the Perez case stated "the only thing the police understand is an eye for an eye."

    The event on the 23rd was co-coordinated by members of the Albina Ministerial Alliance (AMA) Ad Hoc Coalition for Community Justice, the Coalition of Black Men, the Portland Unity Coalition, the Urban League, and the Alliance for Police and Community Accountability. Drawing some 250 people in just over a day's notice, the rally called for unity, peace and justice.

    The AMA Ad Hoc Coalition continued to press the issues raised by the Kendra James case, still unresolved by the release of the Police Assessment Resource Center (PARC) report last August (see PARC article). On June 16, dozens of supporters filled City Council chambers while five community leaders used 3- minute "communications" slots to push the Council for change. They offered a resolution calling for (1) any officer inappropriately using deadly force to be fired or asked to resign, (2) racial diversity training for all officers, (3) an end to racial profiling and (4) an increase in basic training for all officers, as well as changes to state law, the police review board, and a city ordinance against police brutality.

    Mayor Katz, recently diagnosed with cancer, was absent that day. Since Katz is the Commissioner of Police, the other four Council members moved on with the agenda. Days later, Commissioner Jim Francesconi (second place in the mayoral primary to former police chief Tom Potter after outspending him 15 to 1) approached the AMA about putting his own version of the resolution on the agenda.

    Francesconi's resolution focused on training and labor-management issues, and asked for updated racial profiling data. It watered down the issue of disciplining officers who use lethal force and removed all calls for changes to state laws and the review board. His attempt to get the resolution on the July 14 Council agenda failed when (a) the commissioner-in-charge (the Mayor) wouldn't sign off on it, (b) the Auditor (who heads the IPR) wouldn't sign it, and (c) he could only muster three of the four votes needed to suspend the rules and discuss it.

    This process led Commissioner Dan Saltzman to state that the current system is too limiting. On July 21, he introduced an ordinance allowing any Commissioner to bring any measure before the Council. It passed unanimously.

    This sounds like a minor procedural issue, but it is actually a ground-breaking measure that will allow any Commissioner to raise questions about either the Police Bureau or the IPR (or any other city agency).

    Two weeks later Mayor Katz put her own version of the resolution on the agenda. It retained much of the same language as Francesconi's version but added a re-commitment to community policing. Despite one pillar of that philosophy being accountability, the word accountability was not used in the resolution. On the bright side, it calls for more training for officers to de-escalate situations and to find alternatives to deadly force. Katz's resolution passed unanimously. The AMA Ad Hoc Coalition is continuing to push for all the points raised in their initial proposal.
     
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    Problem is that if I fuck up your quarter panel your car may look like shit.

    If the cops fuck up a guy could be killed.

    This case sounds like a clusterfuck of epic proportions made worse by cops lying about it.

    The "car is too nice" and "guy is too young" baloney when they supposedly knew his age but not his race...don't buy that for a second.

    I've personally never had a problem with Kaepernick and others protesting..

    To me that is the ultimate in freedom. I know some don't like it and I can see why but to me the freedom is more important than the symbol.
     
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    Perez's fate was sealed as soon as those cops stopped him. He was fucked if he did and fucked if he didn't. The one cop comitted murder and the other one shoots a taser at a guy that has already been shoot 3 times. Jesus. A lot of these guys don't belong in the force.
     
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    I knew two guys who wanted to be cops when we were all in our early 20s. They were both dumber than I thought possible.

    I told one of them he wasn't smart enough to pump septic tanks.

    A few years go by and a different friend texted me a link to his website for his new septic tank pumping business.

    I swear on my life that's a true story.

    I haven't checked his website for years but he's probably rich as hell right now.
     
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    I was just watching an instan karma compilation on YouTube and this was in the middle of it. This guy is soooo lucky he was caught by a cop who isn't easily scared. I guarantee you that plenty of cops would have shot this guy.

     
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    Damn he threw a dude off the bridge and then...was it a gun. Yeah, he is very lucky he idn't dead.
     
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    Too young and mean to be cop? Good call. Not sure there was or ever will be a day , when I could be a good cop.
    But then I really question the why anyone would want to be a cop. You really need to dig into the possible motives at play here.
    Then we have police policies that set up the possibilities for these screw ups, especially where the cop is a cop for the for the wrong motive. You might be the prototype personality for a cop. Too big to be attacked or frightened, too calm to be provoked. You do see quite a few of these guys these days, but maybe not enough. Perhaps the personality of the Offensive Tackle is just right for the cop.
    Not the linebacker or the punter.

    I really do not see a change in the near future, as nearly all the cities in the US are run by democrats, Rarely by a conservative and even then, rarely for long. Policy changes do not come with such stability. The antics of the Kaepernicks deflect from detection of of poor leadership, tending to insulate them from the need for change.
     
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    Now that's some good bullshit there.
     
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    Kap is targeting one specific issue. I get it.
     
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    How about when it's a white woman who called police for assistance? :dunno:

    Ex-Minneapolis cop ‘intended’ to kill Australian woman, prosecutors say as they seek new charge

    By Katherine Lam | Fox News
    A former Minneapolis police officer “intended” to kill Justine Ruszczyk Damond when he shot the Australian woman multiple times last year, prosecutors argued as they seek to charge the cop with a more serious murder count.

    Prosecutors said Thursday they are seeking to charge Mohamed Noor with intentional second-degree murder in the death of Damond, who the officer shot and killed in July 2017 after the 40-year-old woman called 911 to report a possible sexual assault in the alley behind her home.

    "A person acts with the intent to kill not just when they have the purpose of causing death, but also when they believe that their act, if successful, will result in death," prosecutors wrote in a court filing. "As a trained police officer, the defendant was fully aware that such a shot would kill Ms. Ruszczyk, a result he clearly intended.”

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    Authorities prosecuting Mohamed Noor who shot and killed Justine Ruszczyk Damond, an Australian woman, in July 2017, are seeking to add a more serious charge to his case. (AP)

    Noor already faces third-degree murder and manslaughter charges in the slaying. Prosecutors cited new evidence in seeking upgraded charges against Noor, who was in the passenger seat of a squad car when he reached across his partner and fired at Damond through the driver's window after she walked up to them in the darkness.

    Noor has declined to speak with investigators. But his partner, Matthew Harrity, told them they "got spooked" when she approached. Noor's attorneys have argued he acted reasonably because he feared he was in danger.

    Peter Wold, one of Noor's attorneys, said he hasn't seen any new evidence since Noor was initially charged. When asked if an additional count would postpone trial, he said he doubted it, adding: "We're ready."

    Prosecutors wrote in their filing that it will be up to a jury to weigh which degree of homicide, if any, is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Damond’s death made international headlines last year that led to major changes in the Minneapolis Police Department, especially with the use of body cameras. Damond, a life coach and dual Australian-U.S. citizen, was engaged to be married at the time of her death.

    Her father, John Ruszczyk, filed a $50 million civil rights lawsuit against Noor, the city and others.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.


    https://www.foxnews.com/us/ex-minne...alian-woman-prosecutors-say-new-charge-sought
     
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    I remember this one. He shot across his partner. That in itself is dangerous. Did he shoot her because he thought it was ambush?
     
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    Spell checker attack.
     
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    Don't be a smartass
     
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    No? Well it happens to me. Corrected to the wrong thing.
     
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