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  1. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    To be fair, Monk has been a complete bust so far. IMO he's the reason why they fired Cho.
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily...

    MKG, Lamb, Monk, and Bridges works. It saves Washington a ton of money, even when MKG opts in next year.

    MKG, Kaminsky, Monk, and Bridges also works.

    Crazy 6 for 1: Kaminsky, Lamb, Monk, Bridges, Hernangomez, and Bacon for Beal. Washington takes on very little long term money.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Call me crazy, but I like Lamb better than Beal.

    Just realized that almost sounds like a culinary commentary...
     
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    Wow, that is crazy, ha ha.
     
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    PER's and TS% are basically identical, though Beal has significantly higher usage, while Lamb is a superior defender.

    I think Lamb is severely underrated. And underpaid.
     
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    While Lamb is underrated, I don't think comparing PER and TS% tells the full story and I also think that they're pretty close defensively.
     
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    OK, but I'm really not seeing any material difference offensively between them, aside from their role.

    Personally, if Charlotte pursues a Beal deal, and consequently sees Lamb as expendable, I would gladly take Lamb as a CJ replacement in an Otto Porter deal. Something like this, for example:

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    Explain why you're so high on Lamb.
     
  9. PtldPlatypus

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    I already have. He's a comparable shooter to Beal, and better defensively. Compared to CJ, he's better off the ball, and also significantly cheaper than both.

    In terms of how attractive various aspects of the three are to the teams, I have them ranked like this:

    Shooting: CJ>Beal~Lamb
    Size: Beal~Lamb>CJ
    Defense: Lamb>Beal>CJ
    Cost: Lamb>Beal=CJ
    Age: Beal>Lamb>CJ
    Team Control: CJ=Beal>Lamb

    Basically, I don't see a huge difference between the three in how they'd contribute to the team's success, but I think Beal is overrated and Lamb is underrated. As a result, I think Lamb would likely be available as a trade casualty if the Hornets are pursuing Beal, and the Blazers could/would benefit as a result.
     
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    Hmmm, that is interesting. It would be nice if we could include Turner instead of Harkless and/or Aminu (it still works with just Turner going to Washington or Turner going to Washington and Aminu to Charlotte).

    I could probably be talked into that even though I think you are overvaluing Lamb still.
     
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    I think the scary thing is if CJ really wanted to more of a team Player and rack up assists instead of jacking up contested shots he would be a perfect fit for this team.
     
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    Well, logically if I think someone is underrated, then it follows that the majority would think I'm overvaluing him. My hope, though, would be to get what I perceive his ability to be, at a cost commensurate with how others view him.
     
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    I'm on board - how?
     
  14. BonesJones

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    You really underrate Brown then. I'm sure they'd give up Tatum if they had to.
     
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    throw in a pick to WAS.

    We'd be left with:
    Dame/ET/Porter/Gordon/Nurk

    and Sato/Curry/Sauce/Moe/Collins off the bench.

    Locked in with a shit ton of salary, but we'd be substantially better on both ends of the floor, especially on defense. So much versatility/athleticism/length at the 2-3-4 positions and a great rim protector also would mitigate any weaknesses Dame would bring. And I think Gordon would blossom into a legit all star caliber player with Dame as his guard.
     
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    Brown has a PER of 11.9 through his first 160+ games with a negative BPM in every season and a VORP of 0.1. You’re overrating him. Zach is out producing him this season and plays a more premium position, which New Orleans would be more interested in this theoretical trade anyway since they’d be losing AD.
     
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    PER is so overrated, and once again you avoid proper context tot try to make a point... A big part of his value is defense, which isn't captured by PER. He also wasn't good as a rookie (like most players), and hasn't been good this year because hes been given a diminished role from the jump. He's also barely 22 years old, so a lot of it is betting on potential. For a rebuilding team, hes a much better option than CJ or Zach.

    And then that SAC pick is a better asset than either as well.
     
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    It’s funny how you ignore stats when it’s someone you like and just put the blame on anything but the player. You shit all over Harrison Barnes yet the numbers show he’s always been the better overall player.

    How is PER overrated? I could see the argument if it’s someone with limited minutes. But it captures a players worth relatively well.
     
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    His size puts him or Dame at a real disadvantage on defense.
     
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    Trade CJ, Zach, 3 firsts and the right to swap the other firsts over the next 6 seasons for Anthony Davis and filler.
     
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