OT It's great that they caught the idiot but the tactics, IMO, were wrong. Thoughts?

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    By The Washington Post

    The police were again circling the Franz Bakery Outlet in the spring of 2017, hungry for information, and now she knew why.

    The shop, a branch of a commercial outfit supplying baked goods to customers across the region, was on an empty two-lane road north of Bellingham, Washington. The investigators had come once before in 2013, asking about a delivery truck driver named Timothy Bass. Strangely, they had wanted to know details of his daily routes decades ago.

    Now, four years later, a female co-worker - who has not been publicly named - asked why. They told her: Bass was a suspect in the 1989 rape and murder of 18-year-old Mandy Stavik, one of the region's most infamous unsolved crimes.

    The co-worker had a daughter herself. If it was her girl who had been viciously killed, she wondered, wouldn't she want someone to do whatever they could?

    "After I asked if it was that case and who it was, I felt a basic human moral obligation to help," the woman would later testify, according to the Bellingham Herald,

    She handed over the information the police wanted even though her bosses had previously declined to assist. Later, a detective called back, asking if Bass ever ate food at work. She understood.

    "What do you need, and I'll get it?" she reportedly said.

    On Aug. 10, 2017, the co-worker watched Bass toss out a plastic cup and a Coke can. She secretly grabbed both, put them in a Franz Bakery bag and handed them over to police. When the results came back from the state crime lab, Bass's DNA from the soda and cup were a 1 in 11 quadrillion match to DNA recovered from the dead young woman, prosecutors say. On Dec. 12, 2017, Bass was arrested and charged with first-degree murder.

    But if this anonymous woman's freelance forensic work, pushed by a desire to do right, was the means of closing a 28-year-old cold case, it was also what threatened the prosecution's case. For the last year, Bass's lawyers have tussled with the state in court, arguing that the DNA match to Stivak was the result of an illegal search.

    "Put simply, law enforcement officers cannot use private citizens to obtain evidence without a search warrant where a search warrant would otherwise be required," the defense wrote in one motion filed in August, the Herald reported. "This search was done for a singular reason: to assist law enforcement."

    Stavik was a bright and gregarious young woman. Growing up in Washington's Whatcom County, she was reportedly a star student and athlete at Mount Baker High School - varsity basketball and softball; flute, clarinet and saxophone in the school band; an honor student who spoke Japanese and was fluent in sign language.

    "She was a high achiever," a former teacher told the Associated Press last December. "She wanted to do well in everything she did. She had it all going for her; she had a bright future ahead of her."

    In the fall of 1989, Stavik was a freshman at Central Washington University. She had reportedly gone to college intending to be a commercial pilot, but abandoned the idea after she realized she would rather be "looking out the window rather than [at] the instrument panel," a former teacher would say later.

    She returned to her hometown of Acme, Washington, for Thanksgiving break. On the Friday after the holiday, Stavik left for a jog around 2:30 p.m. wearing a light-colored sweatshirt, green sweatpants and blue running shoes, according to the Herald. Kyra, her German shepherd, bolted off with her.

    Hours later, the dog returned home, but Stavik did not.

    Authorities began searching. Two days later, they discovered a pair of abandoned green sweatpants in the woods. The next day, Nov. 27, Stavik was discovered floating in the Nooksack River, three and a half miles from her family home. She was naked except for socks and her blue sneakers.

    Authorities determined Stavik had drowned, but there was also an injury to the back of her head that indicated she may have hit the water unconscious, the Herald reported. Semen was found on her body and preserved. The investigation kicked into high-gear.

    "We're still tracing down 7,859 leads," a Whatcom County sheriff's detective told the local press. "We're going back over some of the old leads and trying to weed out those that seem far-fetched."

    But authorities hit roadblocks and dead ends. They drove ahead as the years piled up into a decade, then two decades. According to a news conference held after Bass's arrest by Whatcom County Sheriff Bill Elfo, eventually his investigators tried to shake loose names from the community in the 2010s.

    "The community was repeatedly asked for assistance solving this case," Elfo said last December, according to a video. "Information was received pertaining to literally hundreds of potential suspects, and leads were followed up locally, in other states, and foreign countries, including in Asia." One of the names now on the list was Bass.

    He was not originally a suspect in 1989, according to Elfo. But when investigators approached him about providing a voluntary DNA sample to exclude him from the crime, he refused, Whatcom County Prosecuting Attorney David McEachran told a court at Bass's initial appearance on Dec. 13, 2017.

    The lead detective on the case "also discovered Mr. Bass lived on Strand Road near Mandy Stavik's home when she disappeared in 1989," McEachran explained to the court. "At the high school, he started attending the girls's basketball games, and watching her play basketball. When Mandy jogged with her dog, the route that she would take would take her past Timothy Bass's residence."

    All the factors contributed to the police's interest in Bass as a suspect by 2013. But investigators apparently did not have enough evidence for a search warrant to compel a DNA sample from Bass. And his employer, Franz Bakery, would not voluntarily allow investigators to swab for a sample without a warrant or subpoena. The same went for information on his routes.

    Then, in 2017, detectives returned to the bakery and encountered the woman who helped them land the case by providing the information about his 1989 deliveries and the Coke can.

    But following Bass's arrest, his attorneys attempted to have the DNA evidence thrown out because they argue the search violated his Fourth Amendment rights.

    "I thought that it was kind of obvious that they had used an intermediary to collect evidence against Bass in an area where they were previously prohibited from getting evidence themselves, which violated a fundamental privacy interest," Bass's attorney told the Herald.

    Last August, a judge ruled the evidence was admissible because the woman came up with the idea on her own. The decision was appealed by the defense. Last Friday, Bass learned his final appeal over the evidence had been denied.

    "I'm disappointed at the appellate court's decision," his attorney told the Herald. "Now the focus is only on preparing for trial and showing that Mr. Bass had nothing to do with this case."

    Bass's trial is scheduled to start in April. He remains in custody.

    The defendant does not have a criminal record, but has had previous run-ins with the court system.

    In August 2010, Bass's wife reportedly filed a domestic violence protection order against her husband. She alleged in court filings that he was both physically and verbally abusive to her and their three children.

    In the same filings, Bass’s wife ominously claimed her husband often watched cold-case, true-crime television shows. “I wouldn’t get caught because I’m not that stupid,” he allegedly told his wife, the Herald reported. “It would be easy to get away with it.”

    --The Washington Post


    https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-...say-it-cracked-a-28-year-old-murder-case.html
     
  2. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    I don't see how the tactics were wrong. Yes, it was subterfuge but justified, IMO. Had they retrieved a glass a drank out of at a restaurant everything would have been okay. What's the difference?
     
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    Obvious illegal search by an "agent of law enforcement".

    I expect he'll walk.
     
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    Having a citizen do it. Yes, the cops should have followed the guy around and gotten something with DNA on it. Having a private citizen do it is BS.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Why? What's wrong with it?
     
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    Sly's worried about how many yards he's crapped on and having a homeowner deliver a sample to the dog catcher.
     
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    It can be used as a way to get around not having enough evidence to get a judge to sign a warrant.
     
  8. Chris Craig

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    The way they did it was wrong. But, the bastard deserves to fry regardless
     
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    I was looking for a youtube video that might connect to the article. Instead I found this video and laughed my ass off. Enjoy! :biglaugh:

     
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    Here's another.

    They hit everything except the gringo! :biglaugh:

     
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    It would seem that the civilian did the wrong thing and not the police unless . . . at this point let me use language that's floating around these days . . . there's a conspiracy.
     
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    They couldn't get him. Should have staked him out and waited for him to publicly throw a food wrapper or drink away. They walked on and appear to have crossed a thin line. I will say that it sucks that guilty people can hide behind the law and use it in their favor. I am not sad the guy got caught. Police should have been better about it. Even after she delivered the cup/food wrappers and they confirmed it was him they should have waited and obtained more DNA in a better manner.
     
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    I smell conspiracy.
     
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    Nah. Just poor police work. They were afraid he was going to strike again. Who knows if she was his first victim. There maybe might be many more. The detectives in this case jumped the gun to stop him. If he gets out that would be fucked. If I had a daughter and that happened and the dude got out. I don't know if I could stop myself from going after him.
     
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    I hate cops breaking the law to catch people...even really bad guys.

    This wasn't even a search. She was an informant. The fact that she delivered the stuff to them doesn't bother me a bit. He discarded the items. Once he did that anyone could have taken them. He had no expectation of privacy once he did that.

    She could have stared at them and texted a cop to come pick them out of the trash before anyone got to them.

    Fry the motherfucker
     
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    Because of their laziness and stupidity, he won't.
     
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    Not sure I see anything wrong with a citizen helping out the cops, as long as it doesn't endanger anyone's life or violate any laws.

    barfo
     
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    unless of course that citizen was a paranoid schizophrenic who saw things nobody else could see and planted evidence
     
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    I didn't plant any evidence!

    Well, not very much, anyway.

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    Franz would not cooperate with the police. Which created difficulties getting DNA samples elsewhere. This probably was not the only case the POs were working, and they had to budget their time.

    Why would Franz keep his route from the police? Franz looks bad here. Not the POs, or the lady that helped them.
     

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