Hindsite is always 20/20 but i didnt care for this pick from the get go. Didnt understand drafting two bigs.
I know it's early and they are young, but damn... our last 3 Draft picks sure see a lot of suit time/DNP's.
I had hoped that Biggie would develop into a Defensive minded Big around the likes of Draymond Green. Boy, was that a lost hope there..... The pick I personally wasn't thrilled with was Collins. So far.....I haven't been wrong about him. He'll be a Mason Plumlee-type player with a decent 3 point shot, but nothing much more than that. A good bench player, but never a starter. He gets bullied around in the paint on pretty much every defensive play by everyone from PGs to Centers and PFs. And I don't anticipate that changing unless we make either adjustments to our Defensive scheme, or we hire a reputable Big Man coach. Neither of which I see happening anytime soon. And don't even get me started on his foul trouble..... Also not thrilled about that High School kid we drafted.....whatshisname.....Anfernee Simons. But I'll give him a couple more years before I form a solid opinion about him; especially as he hasn't seen much playing time yet. He deserves that. But Collins and Biggie.....I think we've seen the best from them.
I have to disagree with you most whole heartedly. Collins already has better footwork and a MUCH better midrange to outside shot. He can make a Three!( I know you said this) Not sure how you can even come close to comparing Plumlee and Collins offensively. Collins will be our starting PF next year. Note this comment. Biggie is all hard work, not athletically gifted. He has zero vertical and his balance isn't the greatest. I saw his prime being in college and everything a downslide from there. Why? Because every year you get older it gets harder to maintain the same physique and he would have to IMPROVE it in order to become something in the NBA. I just didnt see that happening considering how hard he had to work just to get drafted.
Honestly, I think what is holding him back more than strengthening his core is his fouling. His core strength will get there quicker if he can maintain consistent minutes on the floor and eventually get going against the opponents starters. But if he keeps getting these silly fouls ( refs aren't helping when they treat him like a nothing rookie still, Ive seen the ticky tack fouls on him) he will never get the in game conditioning built up. (Yes I know core strength is most built in the gym, but there is nothing like on the court, in game, experience).
you're right, there's little comparison....Plumlee is underrated while Collins in overrated....now, before you go ballistic, know that I was just joking. I saw a fat pitch rolling over the middle of the plate and swung at it; it's like catnip for my bad joke department but the joke was based on a little bit of reality: PER: Collins 14.0....Plumlee 18.1 TS%: Collins .602....Plumlee .581 Rebound Rate: Collins 11.7....Plumlee 16.1 assist/36: Collins 1.6....Plumlee 4.1 off. winshares: Collins 0.8....Plumlee 0.7 def. winshares: Collins 0.6....Plumlee 1.2 winshares/48: Collins .107....Plumlee .161 off box plus/minus: Collins -0.3....Plumlee +0.1 def box plus/minus: Collins 0.8....Plumlee 4.9 box plus/minus: Collins 0.5....Plumlee 5.0 value over replacement: Collins 0.4....Plumlee 1.0 def real plus/minus: Collins 0.75....Plumlee 2.73 off real plus/minus: Collins -0.85....Plumlee -0.54 real plus/minus: Collins -0.10....Plumlee +2.19 Plumlee has advantages, sometimes big ones, in all those categories but two, and one of those, off. winshares is a cumulative stat so really, that's a push. So, on one end, offense, Plumlee is arguably better. On the other end, defense, which is supposed to be Zach's strength, Plumlee is clearly better the purpose of all that isn't to convince you that your opinion of Zach is wrong, it's to show that in the context of a Plumlee/Zach comparison, Plumlee is the better player, right now. But Plumlee is 28 years old and his upside is capped; he is what he is and won't be getting better. Zach has a big upside advantage, but like all potential, it's not guaranteed. Still, potential has a lot of speculative value in the NBA, and hoping for development of prospects has big entertainment value for fans like us. Lastly, Zach is primarily a PF with some potential as a C. Plumlee is pretty much all C. and in the apples for apples thing, it should be Plumlee vs Meyers, not Plumlee vs Zach as for Zach being the starting PF next season, that's a pretty safe prediction. That's because Portland is scheduled to only be 2-4M below the tax line for 11 players (10 current + 1st round pick). Signing Aminu to a 5-9M salary would push Portland substantially into the tax, and they'd still have to add a couple more players. Odds are Aminu may be the same type of casualty of the 2016 madness next summer as Davis was last summer
