The Official CJ McCollum Thread

You could say the same thing about any proposed transaction.

 

Bogdanovic?

 

lol, you didn't address or answer a single question. Maybe it's you not looking at the whole picture.

 

Yup CJ is an elite defender who just had an unlucky game against a hot shooter. Good take!

 

Zbo was an awful defender, but somehow MEM figured out a way to be one of the league's better defensive teams with him in the starting lineup.
Not saying the same will/can happen with CJ...but it's possible.
(Personally I do feel like he and Dame are too similar, but CJ is also the LEAST of our problems.)

 

Bill Simmons ranked CJ 29th in his trade value rankings. He should bring in more than Otto freaking Porter.

Durant has consistently called him one of the toughest players to guard one on one. He's in a slump. He'll bust out of it.

I want us to trade the guy but he's a lot better than some of you think he is.

 

and where was that ever said? Quit projecting false statements into my thinking. Hell, McCollum wasn't even in the game in the first quarter when Hield made 2 of his 3 pointers. I suppose that was McCollum's fault also, lol.

 

I said My problem/s with the team were mostly ET and Stotts.
Not that Id be against trading CJ if it was the right deal.

 

KP has left the building. We no longer have to pretend to believe in that "let it bake" nonsense.

 

As a small market team you have to believe in it.

 

What’s up Neil?

 

That's a very long slump.. At some point you have to realize this is what you get from him most of the Time

 

I was just using your quote to make a point about defense/CJ in the CJ thread, not arguing a point with ya! One of the major gripes about CJ is his defense (and rightfully so), but if we actually had a good coach maybe his shortcomings (pun intended) could be mitigated? Maybe not. I'd just like to see our players under a different/better coach so we have a better idea of what they're capable of before we go trading them. Defense is far more dependent on 5 players working as a single unit than it is about individuals doing it on their own.
CJ is a great player - it'd be a shame to not get full value in a trade.

 

I like CJ and want to keep him. But I do think CJ is unfortunately a bit overrated. His defense is terrible and he is a bit of a black hole once he gets the ball. While he is normally more efficient scorer than Dame on offense and can get his own shot more easily, he is still no where near Dame overall on offense because he doesn't really make other players better. Nevertheless, at the end of games where we have the lead, CJ provides a steady stream efficient 2-point scoring. In other words CJ does fulfill a role that compliments Dame to some extent.

 

lol... i just cant believe how much a lof of you guys same bs about CJ. Cj is a excelent scorer, he's a very good ball handle, and he's still adjusting himself into a new role on the team. He's not gonna be trade this season. Simple.

 

CJ has the third best FG% for shooting guards.
Even his 3pt % as low as it is currently is higher than guys like Mitchell form Utah.
His FT shooting is decent as compared to many others.
I think he will and IS improving passing the ball.

 

you're going to need to define "scorer", because the way I look at it, whether you call it scoring efficiency or shooting efficiency, Dame has been better in each of the last 4 seasons

TS%

2015-16: CJ .544....Dame .560
2016-17: CJ .585....Dame .586
2017-18: CJ .536....Dame .594
2018-19: CJ .542....Dame .595

points/FGA

2015-16: CJ 1.16....Dame 1.27
2016-17: CJ 1.27....Dame 1.36
2017-18: CJ 1.15....Dame 1.39
2018-19: CJ 1.16....Dame 1.38

clearly, Dame is more efficient

I'm also not sure what you mean by saying CJ can get his own shot more easily. He doesn't do it more efficiently though. Blazers Edge had an article at the end of last year that compared Dame and CJ by shot types using Synergy data. Dame tended to beat CJ in a lot of areas

points/possession

pick and roll: CJ 0.92.....Dame 1.07
isolation: CJ 1.00.....Dame 1.05
transition: CJ 0.96.....Dame 1.07
handoff: CJ 0.81.....Dame 1.14
off screen: CJ 0.96....Dame 1.04

the only area CJ bested Dame was in spot-up shots, where CJ had an elite 1.4 pts/possession (98th percentile) compared to Dame's anemic 0.98

https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/4/...all-hog-does-it-matter-portland-trail-blazers

seems like you're doing what a lot of CJ fans do and that's give him lots of credit for his one-on-one play when the truth is, he really isn't that good at it in terms of efficiency when compared to the rest of the league. CJ is only a little above average as a shooter and as a scorer (same thing?), but around Portland, apparently, there's a belief CJ is elite as a ball-handling scorer

 

You're right. In terms of points efficiency Dame wins hands down. I should have said "shooter" instead of "scorer". C.J. is a more efficient shooter at any distance besides a layup. Dame more than offsets that by (a) getting fouled more (b) taking a higher ratio of 3's (c) more attacks to the rim.

Is C.J. really only slightly better than average when it comes to shooting efficiency at any distance? Or is it that he hardly gets fouled and takes too many mid-range compared to shots (layups and 3's) that would improve his points per shot?

 

It's just my "eye test" judgment watching them play... no stats to back that up. In an ISO situation where Blazers are down 1 point and one possession left, I might rather have C.J. than Dame take that shot. I feel like C.J. can create a step back 2 more easily. Really, neither of them seems good in that situation to my eye. Maybe even E.T. would do better. Also, C.J. seems like a choker whereas Dame is ice. Small sample but C.J. had been really bad in FT situations when it counted.