Politics Securing The Border With A Wall, Duh

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  1. barfo

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    Well, sincerely and truthfully, there isn't much of a comparison between having a wall around your house and having a wall on the southern border. If a WalMart has walls, why doesn't an airport runway have walls? If your garden shed has walls, why doesn't your cat have walls?

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    Thank you Barfo, I have been struggling with the wall topic. You just helped me find my position on the topic. But first, a question.

    Have you spent much time traveling around any of the countries south of our border?

    One thing that stands out is, every one that can afford it, has a wall around their house. And none of these people are movie stars. And most of the walls look the same, except for the super rich.

    The walls are as tall as possible, but always too tall to see over. They are made of cheap cement blocks. Barbed wire is too expensive, so they top the walls with broken bottles and sharp glass.

    So if they feel safer from their neighbors with a wall around their house, maybe we should learn from them. They know the people trying to break into their homes and into our country.

    I do believe there are areas where a new wall, or improved wall, would help keep "some" of the illegals out.
     
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    I think you make a couple of assumptions:

    1) What individuals south of the border are afraid of is what we as a country should be afraid of.
    2) We should worry a lot about keeping people out.

    I'm not sure either are true.

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    Ok, two can play.

    I am going to assume, the reason for your faulty assumptions about my assumptions is this.

    You are too modest to admit you blindly stumbled onto the best every reason to justify the building of the wall.
     
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    I think you wanted to ask why the airport runway does not have greeters and a produce isle. A question I often pondered myself. Why not grab a head of cauliflower during touch-down?
     
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    No idea what you are talking about. I didn't bring up walls around houses, Hoopguru did. He gets all the credit, assuming there is any.

    Do you disagree you are making the assumptions I listed, and if so why?

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    Now I'd be totally up for spending $6 billion on an ice dragon to defend our border.

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    I'm pretty sure both are true.
     
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    What makes you think so?

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    1. I think individuals south of the border are afraid of thieves, rapists, and murderers. As a country we should be afraid of them too.

    2. See point #1.
     
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    Sure we should. But is it a fair assumption that a large percentage of those seeking to cross the border fall into that category?

    This is the inherent flaw in comparing property walls with a prospective border wall. People seeking to cross into another's private property uninvited are more than likely seeking to do so with nefarious intent. The same cannot necessarily be said about those seeking to cross into another country.
     
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    Are you opposed to those trying to enter illegally?
     
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    I am opposed to unlawful immigration, yes. However I am also not in favor of spending several billion dollars to construct a physical barrier. From an accounting standpoint, the cost-benefit analysis doesn't jibe for me.
     
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    Thats 100% how I feel!
    Im not for a spending money on a wall at all, but, why did congress in bi partisan fashion a few years back approve a package for a Fence and improve security? I guess they never got around to starting it?
     
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    $5B is nothing when you consider the totality of government expenditures. While I am skeptical of its efficacy I think it should be approved just to get the government back to work.
     
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    Who wants to tell Dan Pfeiffer that the walls in GOT are to keep monsters out?
     
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    Airports have barriers. Fences from what I've seen. I don't know why, cheaper than walls? To keep the wind from affecting takeoff and landing?

    Important part is to keep random people from entering places they don't belong.
     
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    and 5 billion will not be enough to build a wall to close off the border. How can it go from 25 billion to 5 bil? The biggest reason is Trump is grasping for anything using the country as hostage with a shutdown, and will likely turn around and do it all over again if a temporary measure can be done to open the government with 5 bil included for his stupid wall. Trump is not a trustworthy person and his promise was Mexico will pay for the wall. He lied.
     
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    The Dems should approve the $5B. Shit they already included $54B in foreign aid in their budget proposal.
     

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