Notice Lying

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  1. Stevenson

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    I think it is safe to say that we all put a high value on the truth.

    If your spouse was to lie to you, especially about something important, it would likely cause turmoil in your marriage. It would in mine. When your kids lie, it is a big deal. It is something we work to teach them is wrong. When a friend lies, you feel betrayed.

    Lying to the FBI gets you thrown in jail. Lying in court is perjury.

    Someone once told me that lying prevents the other person from dealing with reality, with the truth. I think that is spot on.

    While I could easily make this a post about our pathological liar of a president (and I will, for a bit, don't worry) my question generally is - how important do you think truth and lying should be? In life? In the public arena?

    And as for our liar-in-chief, the only reason I can conclude that he lies so damn much is that the facts, the truth, hurts him, his cause, and his desired outcome. The reality is, if things were good for him, he wouldn't need to lie. People only lie when the truth will hurt worse.

    And how does this not bother his lemmings, err, I mean, followers?
     
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    More often than not I think lying like is an addiction...practiced behavior. Compulsive habit for some I've known. Lot of sales people practice it..Religions promise things beyond their control..etc...but Love is to me unconditional trust....lying chips away at that
     
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    Why did small lies become "white lies"? ….like telling a child grandpa's in a better place now...etc...telling someone in a battle that it'll be ok...don't worry
     
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    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    All Presidents have lied.

    Trump is a douche.

    I didn't vote for him, or the other liar.

    Move on
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Is "Move on" an order?
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    LOL, as soon as I saw the title of your thread, I instantly knew whom it was talking about.
     
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    No, not the same. Not even close. Trump lies 17 times a day. Clocked.

    False equivilancy.

    Carry on.
     
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    We all bs at times. I stretched my resume when I needed a job. But I didn't make shit up out of thin air.

    It's one thing to say your sister's new baby is cute even if, like me, small children really don't appeal to you. ( Kittens, now...) It's another to tell your significant other you are working overtime when you are out screwing someone else.

    When someone lies to me it is a big deal because how can I ever give credence to anything? I don't think people should lie to their children about Santa or other gods. Or where babies come from.

    And while it might be true all politicians spin, literally making shit up out of thin air (former Presidents want wall at Southern border), stuff easily disproven, is new.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I abhor dishonesty. All forms. Direct lying. Skillful deception. Lies of omission. I hate it all. And to be clear, I do not support the President's propensity for "alternative facts".

    This is not to say that people need necessarily be fully transparent with everything. There is nothing wrong with privacy, confidentiality. There is nothing wrong with soft-pedaling the truth to present it gracefully rather than brutally. There is nothing wrong with choosing not to disclose one's feelings.

    But if the purpose of a particular communication (or lack thereof) is to cause another to believe something that the originator knows to be untrue, it is wrong.
     
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    I don't think Trump lies because he feels he has to. I think it's pathological. In fact, I know it is. He isn't bright enough to lie this much because he feels he has to. He is mentally ill.
     
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    bingo!
    I think though Trump & both Clintons will do anything to get what they want!
     
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    Of course not. That would have been "move the fuck on"
     
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    Me as well. Horrible choices for America last election
     
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    Hillary lied her ass off as well. They are both horrible people.
     
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    "They all lie" is such a lazy analysis.
     
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    So is making a statement like "Trump lies 17 times a day". There is no context.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    What sort of context would you like?
    Number of lies told per day by other presidents? I'd guess the numbers are somewhere between 0 and 1.

    barfo
     
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    Trump is the second most honest President in my lifetime so far, and the most blatant liars are his current opponents.
     
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    Yes, that would be helpful. It would also be helpful to know how many times each president was fact-checked as well as exactly who is doing the fact checking.

    I'm guessing the numbers are greater than 1.
     
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