Trade Ideas Thread

Just curious, what part of CJ's game would make him better than Brogdon in the Bucks system?

 

So CJ doesn’t already play next to an elite player, the fuck??

And I don’t see Giannis blitzed nearly as much as Lillard. Milwaukee has more weapons.

 

CJ vs Brogdon is like DeRozan vs Danny Green on a smaller scale.

CJ and DeRozan are floor raising players that can't really play their role and be a part of a championship team. Brogdon and Green on the other hand aren't as "talanted", but bring value in areas of the game that both contribute to winning, but also don't take away from / better maximize your more talented scorers.

I'd give the slight edge to CJ if we are comparing strictly player to player, but if we're talking in terms of building a championship level team...it's Brogdon for me.

 

I will say that CJ has a slightly better TO% with a higher Usage Rate. He definitely gets his shots without turning the ball over a lot which does have some value but it also usually means that he isn't passing much either.

 

how can you know that? Dame isn't as good as Giannis, but he's pretty good and always commands the attention of the opponent's best perimeter defender. And, in Portland's offense CJ has free reign to do what he wants and play "his" game.

even if he did get some kind of bump in his numbers in Milwaukee, there's no way his TS% goes from .536 to .626, or his winshares/48 goes from .089 to .170

it depends on how wide a variety of stats you are using in a comparison and if there is any consensus in the numbers

personally, I'm not convinced that Brogdon is better than CJ; it probably cuts the other direction. But if CJ is better, it isn't by much of a margin. There's not a lot doubt in my mind though that Brogdon would be a better fit with Dame in the back court, and that if the players were switched the Blazers would likely be just about as good as they currently are

one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Brogdon will be RFA this summer; so he's about to get paid. The Bucks have some decisions with both Brogdon and Middleton being free agents

 

I did mention his RFA status in my original post on the matter.

 

I'm 100% sure CJ would still dribble dribble dribble and take Bad contested shots while teammates are open, once a ISO chucker allways a ISO chucker

 

So the Wizards aren't even starting Otto Porter Jr. anymore. Time to pounce.

 

In my opinion, CJ would be better suited on a team that he was the unquestioned ball handler, kind of like Oladipo going to Indiana. Going to a team like Milwaukee or the Lakers wouldn't make a noticeable difference in his stats other than he'd probably average less shot attempts per game. Obviously this is just a guess but he'd put up All-Star type numbers on a team like the Knicks.

 

When threads go off the rails:

 

"leave the contract out of it." That right there renders the discussion moot. No NBA GM makes a trade without looking long and hard at the cap consequences.

Even if we play that game, why would the Bucks make that trade? CJ's bad defense and less efficient offense does nothing to make life easier for Gianis.

 

I wonder what CJs reputation is around the league. I don’t mean players, but coaches. Do they buy into the mainly media driven narrative that he’s one of the better shooting guards in the league? The way Portland is defended suggests they don’t. Nurkic gets more attention than him.

 

How is CJ going to do better? Is he suddenly going to start passing and playing defense? Scoring? He is less efficient than Brogdan, so if he gets the same number of attempts, he will score less. If he starts taking shots away from his team-mates, he can score more than Brogdan while making the team's offense worse. Meanwhile, his poor defense will be putting more pressure on his team-mates.

 

Let's all compare Klay Thompson to Brogdan too. How about Jimmy Butler?

You guys think defenses care one bit about Brogdan like they do CJ?

 

HAHAHA!

 

Dame ain't Giannis. And the next time Brogdan sees a double team will be his first

 

Bingo.

What was that stat posted earlier? CJ averages 5 more MPG, but 6 more FG att? Where are those 6 shots going to come from? Plug a player like CJ into a good offense - and either he goes downhill or the team goes downhill. CJ's value would be to a team desperate for scoring who wouldn't care how many shots he takes or he he dominates the ball.

 

You know where I'd love to have CJ? As a sixth man. He would give the second team instant offense (ala Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson). Of course, that would mean that we would need a legitimate starter next to Dame. The other potential downside is that the second team works less as a "team" and more of a "let's watch CJ take some more shots".

Gramps...

 

Same with CJ.

 

You think Giannis gets more defensive attention than Lillard??