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  1. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Nope, a lot of people did not know how unhinged this con man was two years ago.
    Now, he's about to get rebuked in the courts yet again. He's an idiot.
     
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    Oh dang! I didn't even know what that is. Had to look it up. umm, not at all sure I need one.
    When I was a wee lad, I lived with my grandmother for awhile after I had lost both my parents. She was big on cooking with a pressure cooker.
    Damn man! Every thing that come out of one of those things tastes the same. Make the dog move to the neighbors.

    I think I will stick with the Crock pot. Pressure cooker would be good for caning meat though, you can get the heat high enough to kill about every pathogen possible that might contaminate it. Ah hell, I will just load the boat full of good shit before I go to wilds of Baja.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Eh??

    To me REALISTIC goals must have some sort of vague path at minimim. How many steps to take to get there.

    Shit i could say my goal is to be president. Im legally allowed to do so. But without a platform laid out explaining the steps i need to take in order to attain this goal, its just a fantasy.
     
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    Goals must be objective & measurable with tactics on how to accomplish.
     
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    Says who? Tactics and goals are two very different things.

    If you drive your car into an icy river, your immediate goal should become getting out of the water. You might very well formulate that goal before deciding on exactly how to do it. Maybe you swim for it. Maybe you climb on top of the car and wait for rescue. In fact, it might turn out not be possible to get out of the river, and you die - but that still doesn't mean your goal was somehow poorly chosen.

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    Lots of people have unrealistic goals. Lots of people make unrealistic plans.

    Maybe your plan to get elected is to make lots of posts on S2. That's a plan, but it's not going to work, so it doesn't make your goal any less of a fantasy.

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    Get real..
    Thats true they are different. Tactics are what you implement in order to achieve a measurable objective goal.

    If you drive your car in a river and you panic your goal of getting to safety decreasing if you lose your composure and not figure (tactfully) how to get out. This why its important to have tactics when you establish measurable objective goals. Remember, if you don't know where you going you will end up somewhere else. What gets measured gets done, generally.

    Do you ever agree with what someone says or even partially or is it a rush to throw counters?
     
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    Sure, if I agree I usually don't bother responding. Not a big fan of constantly posting "THIS."

    Conception of an goal usually comes before tactics to achieve the goal. With complex goals, the tactics may take quite some time to work out.

    When we decided to go to the moon, were all of the tactics fully worked out before the goal was announced? When we entered WWII, were all the battle plans drawn up ahead of time?

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    Goal - Send team to the moon...time line
    Tactic - establish engineering team....time line
    Tactic - decide what launch site to use...time line
    Tactic - Procure rocket engines...time line
    etc..

    Goal - get team back from the moon...time line
    Tactic - assemble retrieve team...time line
    Tactic - check off on all systems a go...time line

    Goal - acquire super star small forward....time line
    Tactic - contacts all agents...time line
    Tactic - narrow targets to two potentials...time line
    tactic - make offers and sign....time line

    Goals can be weighted as priority
    Goals must be measurable
     
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    I think you avoided the point - yes, tactics are necessary to reach a goal. They aren't necessary to set a goal. Goals can be measurable even without a plan.
    OB getting elected president - easily measurable - how many electoral votes will he get? But no plan exists (yet).

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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    If you're Donald Trump then the answers are yes. However, his tactics involve the repeated use of a magic wand.
     
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    I didn't say they were need to set a goal. But they are certainly needed to accomplish a goal.

    Goal...lose 200 lbs....ok, steps are you going to take to hit your goal.
    If I had an employee tell me his goal was to increase sales by 20% and he couldn't tell me what is tactics/steps were to achieve it and with whom, Id ask him to provide me the information with time lines.
    Its easy to blurt out a goal the tough part is the plan to achieve it.
     
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    The posting history suggests otherwise.

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    You are missing the point. My goal to be president is a laughable one because i dont have a plan.

    What cortez says is laughable because she has no plan.

    It really is as simple as that. You can skirt the point all you what. The point is still there and valid.
     
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    Yes but it sounds good to a liberal ear. She will get away with this level of drivel.
    She will pay the price for take credit for foiling Amazon coming to New York.
    That will bite a big chunk out, not too far out either.
     
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    Yeah i dont think she really knows what she did there...
     
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    She probably didn't have a real affect at all, but she took the credit.
    Ha! That will be costly.
     
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    You can laugh all you want at her for not having a plan. That's fine.

    I don't think she claims to have one, though. I think she'd say she wants to discuss goals first, before making plans.

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    Im good with discussing goals before authoring and implementing a plan to achieve and/or improve.
    But, before calling a press conference (which would be part of a plan) with a contingent of supporters, you'd think there was some sort of plan already created? Its kind of unrealistic to announce certain objectives without measurable criteria to accomplish?
     
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