Bursting the Bazemore Bubble

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  1. JDC

    JDC Well-Known Member

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    What a gross over simplification
     
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    Oh wait, here comes JDC to say that things are more complex and the wings that cant shoot have to stand still at the 3pt line and we have to ISO!
     
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    Just speaking the truth

    But continue on with the exaggerations to fit your agenda...
     
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    Do you mean Moe and Chief? Because they’re not good screeners on or off the ball imo, neither gets wide, their easy for guys to get around, they dont make good reads as to what they should do after setting screens.

    Obviously my opinion.
     
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    You said absolutely nothing.
     
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    Then maybe our coaching staff should coach them on how to set proper screens... and if they cant, then they suck as a coaching staff.
     
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    Let's just conveniently forget about all the split action Terry runs with Moe and Jake, the drags and pins in transition with aminu...

    They don't exist and are just a figment of my imagination.
     
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    Well... Could be coaching them just fine and they just arent figuring it out, who knows.
     
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    So thats all there is to a flow offense huh? Talk about oversimplification.
    Ive studied multiple full length games looking for these types of action and havent found them. We run in transition the least out of any team in the NBA.
     
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    Then the coaching staff isnt doing their job. Its not hard to coach a screen. If you cant get players to set proper screens, thats on you.
     
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    Setting a proper screen and being good at setting screens, and making reads from them isnt the same thing though. Meyers is a better screener than Zach (right now) because he’s got wider shoulders and isnt a twig. I dont think Moe and Meyers are bad at screens because they dont know “how” to set a screen, but because neither of them have very good body types for it, and then both make pretty slow reads off it. Were getting way off topic, but we can say Moe and Aminu’s problems are the coaching staff if you want too.
     
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    I guess we'll find out. But..................

    Am I the only one who thinks that it's odd to compare the stats of 2 guys the other team basically doesn't guard
    to a player the other team does guard?

    It just seems to me that this is the type of logic that says Biebs (3fg% of .450) is much, much better than
    Lillard whose 3fg% was .369.

    Sorry for Bursting the "Bursting the Bazemore Bubble" Bubble.
     
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    Step ups, drags and wide pins are our primary secondary break actions that we run multiple times a game.

    If you can't identify those, I'm not sure you know what you're look for.

    Pure transition? Yes we do not excel, but don't have the personnel to be that type of team.

    We are lacking finishers, open court athletes / handlers / decision makers to be an uptempo team. Our conservative defensive scheme also doesn't produce very many live ball turnovers.

    Could we better? Absolutely yes. And Bazemore and Little is a step in the right direction.
     
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    Thats something that can be taught though. So many excuses for players not having basic basketball skills that are then used as a crutch for Stotts...

    Its like "Moe cant set proper screens so we have to have him stand in the corner but he also cant shoot so its not Stotts fault his offense is stagnant"...

    It should be - "Stotts needs to teach our players how to properly screen and read so that we can utilize that more to help create more movement in our offense so it isnt so stagnant and predictable".
     
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    We ran so much split action with Moe (as the screener) and Lillard out of our delay set....

    We fucking milked that shit some games...

    Do you not remember any of that?
     
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    I remember some of that, but I dont think Moe is a good screener, though I think he’s better than Chief.
     
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    We dont have the personel to run? Thats the type of excuse I'm talking about. Harkles srun well. Aminu runs well for a PF. Dames one of the fastest PGs in the league. SG isnt slow either. You dont need 3 or 4 ball handlers to run a fastbreak offense. Outlet and go. Leak out and hit ahead. Theres no excuse to be bottom 5 in the league in fastbreak points year after year with the roster we have...

    Sacremento was 1st. Who the hell are their forwards? Barnes and Bjelica...?

    Atlanta at 8... with John Collins and Bazemore...

    Even when we had Batum, we still didnt run. Weve been in the bottom 10 in the league in fastbreak points ever year that Stotts has been coach.
     
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    Theres been multiple games where weve barely ran that (if at all). You know I study tape as much as amyone so I dont know why youre picking this battle.

    The thing is, I could show you 100 possessions in a row and you still woudnt concede. I could show you tons of stats like us being in the bottom 5 in assists per game the last 3 years, like us regularly being in the top 5 in both seconds and dribbles per touch. But you still wont give a shred of blame towards the offensive system or the coaching staff. Its always about how our forwards suck and are to blame for everything. Thats not fair at all.
     
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    I don’t think there’s a bubble to burst on this. They got him for Evan Turner. A guy most would trade for a case of Gatorade and a new elliptical machine.
     
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    Fox and Young thrive in transition

    Barnes and Bjelcia are better handlers and decision makers in transition than Hark/Aminu

    Collins, Bazemore, Prince, Bagley, Cauley Stein, Giles...all very good open court athetes that also lack half court skill level.

    Is part of it philosophy? Yes.

    But pace and offensive efficiency (and net rating) aren't as positively correlated as you'd think. There's drawbacks (defensive rebounding / turnover rate (namely live ball) as well.
     
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