Bursting the Bazemore Bubble

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    I have to say I think this narrative of Stotts yelling about pushing the ball is a real poor defense of Stotts. Either the players are ignoring him or they don't have a sufficient foundation built on pushing the ball. Either option is a reflection of coaching
     
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    It wasn't said in "jokeful" banter.

    I find it funny you first deny saying it and then end it with an assumed statement that because the few people you have played one on one against haven't beaten you that you must be .....

    Dan Marang is a professional. :bgrin:

    Okay, I'm done. It's yours for the last word like you need to have.
     
  3. BLAZINGGIANTS

    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

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    This.

    If the skills are so easily taught, the salaries of NBA players would not be what they are (because we’d all be good). It’s easy to learn the basics of the skills, but the degree to how players learn to do them well and the nuances and adjustments is what sets players apart.
     
  4. Orion Bailey

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    I dont know why it was deleted so ill say it again. This isn't an insult.

    My boss, business owner and successful enough bsuinessman to be invited to give seminars to college students, would be the first to tell you there are some basic things about his own company he cant grasp.

    Its an issue him and i have had discussions about because he understands how quick of a learner i am and reminds me to have patience when training, because its easy to just think everyone should be able to learn this because i can.
    I think this is kind of where you lie. Just because you can, you think everyone can. And this isn't reality.
     
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  5. BonesJones

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    I've helped coach two different teams. 6th graders. We had no issue teaching them how to set proper screens.

    You CANNOT tell me that NBA players are incapable of learning how to set proper screens. I don't subscribe to that.
     
  6. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    The detail in this second version is much less insulting than the first one I deleted
     
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    lol, another thread derailed.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    You're going to tell me I'm ignorant? You're smarter than that. If you don't agree with my analogy, fine, I don't care.
    You still cannot tell me that NBA players are incapable of learning how to get in a wide stance and hold it. I can't believe this is a conversation right now.
     
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  9. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    It's fine, I'll ask him in person and we'll see where that goes :D
     
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  10. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Don't take the forum so seriously buddy.
     
  11. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Will that be before or after he dunks on you? :D
     
  12. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    "They're unable to be coached that! They don't have to ability to learn that! All of them!"
     
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    That's less delusional than NBA players being unable to learn how to set proper screens! Lmao.
     
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    You WILL tell people here that your opinion is the only right one but yet someone CANNOT tell you through experience that what you describe is a reality.

    Gtfo


    Im over it now. The moment you draw lines in the sand like that, its obvious you are not gonna budge, which is unfortunate, because it will forever be a crutch.
    Coaching 6th graders who haven't even begun to have a fully developed mind is laughable as a credible example as to getting know know how some people learn one way and others learn differently.

    Fair enough.

    Either way this conversation has gotten ridiculous when so many people are telling someone so inexperienced in life that people learn different ways and some people can learn certain things and others cant and he is so set in stone that he is right and we are wrong.

    Experience used to be one of the most important attributes to gaining knowledge. Is soo unfortunate that its spit on and dismissed so easily by those without experience.


    Pretty annoying really.
     
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    Yes because a wide stance and holding it is about ten percent of a good screen...

    Done man. Not worth it. You are right. Everyone else is wrong.... as usual.
     
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    In this case, my opinion is 100% right. If someone was incapable of learning how to set a fucking screen, then they wouldn't be in the NBA. You know how many things you have to learn to make it to the NBA? If you're THAT incapable of learning, then you wouldn't make it.

    If you don't know how to bend your knees a little bit and stay still and strong... I don't care for all your anecdotal stories.

    I wasn't even using it as an example so I'm glad you found some humor in that.

    You're off the rails and all over the place. I can't even keep up with all the different angles your trying to use right now.

    Bottom line is, if you can't teach a player to bend his knees, get wide, and stand still....
     
  17. BonesJones

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    To setting a good strong screen? Yes. Get low, get wide, hold it strong. That's all there is bro. Don't overcomplicate it.

    Knowing what to do after the screen is debatable. I haven't argued that at all. Some players aren't able to learn how to make those reads. But in terms of setting the screen, nobody in the NBA is incapable of learning how to set the screen.
     
  18. JDC

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    My lord.

    It's not a fucking accident that there are players that are bad, average, and good screeners...just like with every other skill in basketball.

    Proper technique is such a small part of being an effective screener in the NBA where you're dealing with the smartest, strongest. most athletic basketball players in the world.

    Knowing how to do something and applying it on the floor are also two VERY different things.
     
  19. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    What else goes into the actual setting of the screen? Timing is a big part but that's mostly on the person using the screen. It's also on the person using the screen to rub off the screener. But if there's something I'm missing in terms of setting the screen, then enlighten me.
     
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    WAIT! I'm not ready yet!!!

     

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