Notice Climate Change fear! Greatest hoax on the youth of the world in this Century!

I came back to check this contribution.
Did you get help from Cup?

 

Yes, the world's climate scientists are all in a vast left wing conspiracy to convince dumb kids and adults the glaciers are melting. Fortunately we have heroic oil companies, Rush Limbaugh and Donald Trump around to tell us it's all fake news.

 

What I find interesting about the conversations on here, is I’ll give @MarAzul some credit, he posts numbers, articles, stuff that would help his cause in an argument and really no one seems to challenge it, its just laugh him off and snide comments...

Yeah I think Climate change is real, but honestly if this was an actual debate he’d be winning right now, because in this and other threads no one has really provided anything to the discussion but ad hominem.

Now Im not saying I agree with him, but this to me is part of the issue with the whole discussion. Instead of having discussion about things its either you agree or we’ll just laugh you off in a condescending manner.

 

For those that don't want help but rather just vagrant the streets and do nothing, give them one way ticket to LA.
For those that want help and are willing to help themselves some, great, let the City/County establish a workable plan and address the problem.

 

This link goes to an MIT website that provides links to multiple FAQ pages on reputable climate science sites:

https://cgcs.mit.edu/education-outreach/climate-change-faqs

 

I had no intention of arguing either way. Thus I posted no argument. Just saying the generally snide comments, and condescending tone doesn't really refute whatever points he’s making.

I disagree with your end statement, I think we all lose if there isn't healthy dialogue and discussion on important matters, climate change, laws, etc. My opinion is the lack of healthy debate and discussion is why it seems like weve all lost (Hello Trump!)...

You literally say they care or they dont, well what if they care and they just show it differently than you do? Or maybe they care less than you? Too often IMO the behavior is you feel just as strongly about a subject as I do or you dont care. Or you think differently about this than I do so you dont care. Yeah there are people out there that dont care and wont care, but I guess I just see it differently.

 

I like balance and understanding people’s perspectives. Im far from neutral on many things, but I value understanding others and listening more than arguing my opinions. Yeah I have my stances, last weekend I was fielding a game of 20 questions because Im home schooling my kids, spent plenty of time in this forum talking about racism, and many of my opinions oh and the Blazers...

His idea wasn't that Climate change is a hoax, it’s that there is little humans can do about it, and the idea that in 12 years the end is coming because of it.

Seems like he’s the only one taking a controversial stance here.

 

In my view, the OT section is usually so snarky that it’s hard to discuss anything intelligently. People will say horribly rude things to others when it doesn’t involve direct face to face interaction. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Marzy and being invited on the Marazul. I enjoyed my time with him a great deal and what he’s done in building and sailing that craft is incredibly impressive. He shared with me some of the frustrations he’s had with rigid government regulations relating to sailing the MarAzul. It’s not surprising that his views on government programs, even when well intended, are a bit jaded. I don’t agree with him on climate change, but he doe raise some interesting questions. I think in general it would be great if people could be a bit less caustic in expressing differing opinions and takes.

Yeah, like that’s gonna happen around here.

 

I think that’s an area that I struggle with as well. I read an MIT report that said that the difference by2050 between doing nothing vs going fully in accord with the Paris accord on climate change was only about a tenth of a degree Centigrade in average temperature.

 

Heck I realize you, and riverman and marazul, and lanny, and cup are all intelligent people. When it comes to Climate Change definitely more intelligent / educated then I am, because I have chosen to study different things. Its not that I dont care though, because I do. I actually come into threads like this to read what you guys think and how you got there because it helps me to take a stance or to question where I am on it.

 

You need numbers and stats on climate change? There are a gazillion we can find in seconds. If this was a debate, and it was about winning or losing it wouldn’t be close. But both sides have to care. I don’t. Going round and round with MarAzul or Maris is not enjoyable for me. It’s pointless. I don’t think they even believe what they write it’s so nonsensical.

 

Fair enough. I took what you were saying incorrectly, I apologize.

 

I did not intend to take a side, in any thread I post on the technical discussion on Climate Change. I always take the side that we do indeed have climate change in progress, and we have for my entire life time as well as those of all here.
It is no hoax, but those that would have us do what they demand to stop it, curtail it, reverse it, are in my view, fear mongering if not orchestrating a hoax on the gullible.

What is a climate change scientist? The forces at play here to product the Climate Changes we are indeed experiencing involve, Physics, Geology, Oceanography, Geography, hydrodynamics, as well as climatology. Then you need history and anthropology, along with mathematics to see the architecture. Plenty of room to weigh in with what you have. But please, forget the politics, leave this to the charlatans. We have them in abundance today.

 

There are plenty of brilliant scientists who believe humans have a big role in the change of our climate. Scientists much smarter than I am. They are not part of some crazy conspiracy that all the liberals have stealthily put together to scare the shit out of people. I believe people who have devoted their lives to science above those who drive boats or crunch numbers or sell software or play politics. If my heart is failing I go to experts in cardiology. I don’t take some random persons opinion because he read something somewhere that it’s not really my heart it’s actually something else. But for fun, let’s say it has nothing to do with humans. Scientists have also said what can be done to help climate change. Why don’t we do that? I guess it’s like guns. Since we don’t think it’ll eradicate all issues with climate or guns who gives a fuck let’s just ride with it.

 

Name one scientist that actually says, he/she believes humans have a big role in change of our climate. Link please.

I have never heard any scientist express their evidence or supporting data as a belief or believe.

The question is not about whether humans have a role in the change. The real question is can humans affect sufficient change to alter the climate cycle.
Huge difference here and what the Charlatans would have us do.

 

I got off track here..erased that last bit....nature is more powerful than most anything man can make. Humans can probably succeed in making the planet impossible for humans to live on..

 

I found this to be interesting...

 

The issue is this though, while I "think" climate change is occurring and some portion of that is from Humans and Humans may be able to effect it, that doesn't mean I can't question aspects of it. My team at work consists of an FPGA Engineer, two electrical engineers, a guy with a Ph.D. in Physics (I'm not sure what we call him heh), two SW Engineers (including me) and we disagree and have to agree to disagree on so many things. It's attributed to Einstein, but the saying "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right, but one experiment can prove me wrong." Is a good bit of wisdom for any scientist, engineer, philosopher, etc even the smartest of us has a very small sliver of knowledge to hypothesize with.

Many brilliant minds have fought against the zeitgeists of there day, some proved to be right some did not. It's not any different today. I'm not at all saying to ignore Climate change or what the "Experts" think but you have to understand that experts are still fallible people and in every single profession or school of thought people can get wrapped into circular thoughts. I don't think it's at all "wrong" to question the experts, in fact, it's very unscientific to not question things.

My dad went to one of the top Cardiologists in the state told him his heart was fine, went to another for a second opinion found out he had a bicuspid valve that was leaking people can be wrong.

tldr; People no matter how smart are fallible (and no I'm not trying to claim I'm smart) including me, and being inquisitive is important in seeking the truth as is listening. Sometimes the experts are just right, and this may be a case that they are.

 

Personally I think climate change is a natural cycle for the earth that has been occurring (and recurring) for hundreds of millions of years and is caused by all kind of conditions that are basically inherent to this planet. My opinion is that human activities are simply accelerating the current climate change cycle. The change was going to happen whether we were here or not, we’re just speeding up the process. Not saying that’s good or bad, just that it’s happening. After all, humans technically are nothing more a higher form of “bacteria” who are working to break down their “food source” i.e.; the earth. Just like bacteria everywhere! Except we have brains....which make us much more dangerous.....