Politics Opinion - It's ok to say you were wrong.

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  1. MarAzul

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    >>> Who? I have not seen the ballot yet, but I don't thing there is but one choice as of right now.

    He is the best option of all those I expect could possible be on the next general election Ballot. He does not need me to defend him, just vote for him. So far, I expect I will.
     
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    We often disagree. We do again.
    Lyndon B. Johnson is the clear winner in this category during my life time.
    Embarrassing for character, war mongering, and terrible policies. A clean sweep.
     
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    300+M people (obviously not all are eligible), but I don't buy he's the "best" option. This is what I found strange here, the reason no one serious is on the ballot for the Republicans is a political CHOICE that they've made to not even challenge him...
     
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    We often do.

    Johnson was an asshole and he fucked up on vietnam among other things, but he still is not as big an embarassment as Trump.
     
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    Perhaps you are correct although, I suspect that reality of their chances weigh heavily in there decision. In any event, the result does close your question to debate, doesn't it. You me, and all others have no other choice.
    The Dems see the reality too.
    This is why they talk of impeachment, throwing Biden under the bus.... They see no real choice either.
     
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    The party is cancelling primaries to cripple any challenge to Trump. Even so, if Republican voters actually wanted someone else, they could certainly have him/her.
    Note there are three people officially running against Trump: Weld, Sanford, and Walsh. Better known names would get in if there was a reason to think Republicans wanted a choice.

    Some are unwilling to admit mistakes, some actually want a monarchy, some don't know how our government is supposed to work, some just want to 'stick it to the libs/dems', some are cult-joiners, and some are paying so little attention that they aren't even aware this presidency is a failure.

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    Ha!
    You started out like a sane man, but then doubled down. However, you are entitled to do so.
    Carry on!
     
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    Some can't even judge.
     
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    Obama one of two worst performing presidents of your generation? That is hilarious seeing as how the two Bushes, Nixon and Ford are in your generation. Obama was given a horrible economy that he was able to turn around and was the real president that made America great again. If trump hasn't embarrassed you yet, then there is no embarrassment any president can do. He is fortunate to take over a growing economy and a shrinking unemployment rate and that was with Moscow Mitch vowing to keep Obama from passing anything.
     
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    marzy fails to mention that the republicans have cancelled several primaries with the sole purpose of preventing any other candidate from having any chance. Just more corruption that we have been witness to from this administration. I wonder if he recognizes the gerrymandering and voter suppression that happened last election by the republicans. When they closed a polling location in Georgia where many of the voters who lived in a poor area could walk to the polling station and instead had to take a bus trip into another town to vote. Hmmmm? Can we say corruption on that one?
     
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    Whatever it takes to defeat the liberals
     
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    marzy and those with the same thinking have no redline. They just lap up anything trump dishes. It's somewhat funny how they operate but also very sad.
     
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    Oh but he didn't.
    Obama got his pet passed. Obama Care. Mostly in the trash bucket now, but he will always be remember as the President that actually went about harming many people. I estimate it was in the neighborhood of 20 million seniors that lost their healthcare
    packages from their former employer due specifically to his healthcare that passed in both houses of Congress. While the whole plan might become trash one day, this harm to all these people can not be undone.
     
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    You were wrong.
     
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    I didn't vote for Trump, but even with that said I'm wrong quite regularly, I like to think of it as opportunities to learn heh. :)
     
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    It is. But perhaps it is the hard way.
     
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    I estimate that your number is way too high, since there are only 45M seniors total. Most people didn't have health plans from their employer after retirement.

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    It is also not the only way. :)
     
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    To be perfectly honest TBF I believe the two party system with strong idealogical leanings and the propaganda for the news channels that are just as idealogical, it stifles any kind of attempt for middle ground and compromise fro give and take. Values and beliefs vary so much in our country, but more so in certain areas.
    Our kids will be taught to take no prisoners and to fall in line with a certain belief or be bullied or ridiculed which bothers me a lot but thats what they see now in many ways.
    I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton but I did vote for someone I thought would represent a more centrist point of view and willing to reach out to both parties and find common ground.
    I will again and if its an independent or libertarian or even a republican or democrat that wants to give and take, they will get my vote.
     
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    Perhaps I should not have used Seniors, although many are. Those effected were not all yet seniors. But it is not only those former employees effected, but current employee that lost what they will never receive plus the dependents involved also.
    No one knows all the companies encouraged to take this route. But we did get the ruff estimate in the conference I attended at some where between 15 to 20 million people effected. There were attendees at the conference of nearly 60 companies and we do know
    that is not even close to all. There are no stats to find, no one kept a count. You know the Obama gang did not want this count known.
     

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