Politics Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he's now for impeaching Trump

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  1. ABM

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    Well, I'm not certain of the term you use, but, yes, I could see certain situations whereas the life of the mother is in jeopardy and/or a helpless woman in a rape situation as grounds for abortion. I know there are others who are against it 100%, though. At any rate, beyond abortion in and of itself, these states legalizing partial/late-term abortion is abhorrent to me. That's entirely another story altogether, though.

    Planned Parenthood value? Hmmmm....not especially.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    ..and what about the father? What if he really wants that child? I suppose he has no say.
     
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    Why?
     
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    I asked first. :bgrin:
     
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    I think late term means less than 6 mos. pregnant. This isn't even enough time for the nervous system to be evolved.
    Most abortions occur when the fetus looks like a lizard.
     
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    If he's truly concerned about the lives of children...there are millions without parents alive now....adopt. China has a completely paternal society...men call all the shots, limits on childbirth, etc....a man really wanting a child doesn't have the lifelong impact of a woman who has to have a child she doesn't want or doesn't have the ways and means to care for. Josephine Baker the performer joined the French underground during WW2 and saved a lot of lives...she was wealthy and retired in a castle in Europe and adopted 30 plus children from impoverished nations around the world...raised them all herself...these things can be accomplished by anyone who believes in caring for needy children which the world has an endless supply of ...especially in countries where they have no option. If you have all this success and all these ways and means you can raise dozens of children and help innocent children to have healthy lives right now without stopping women from making life choices that have no consequence for you personally at all. If you've ever used a condom, you've made a choice to stop a possible pregnancy
     
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    It's not the father's body, it's the woman's body.
    When men can get pregnant, I'll consider your point.
     
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    It's an unnecessary government entity, IMO.
     
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    Good comments. That said, I'm more about the responsibility/education upstream, then the disposable aspects downstream. Moreover, how do you feel about late-term abortions and circumstances that would necessitate the need for them?
     
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    So you don't think these services are important then?

    Thanks to the affordable healthcare that Planned Parenthood provides women, outcomes from death in childbirth to teen pregnancy to contracting sexually transmitted infections and developing cervical cancer are all preventable, regardless of a woman's economic status.

    You know, there are many people (in this case women) that don't have or can't afford these sort of services. Just turn your back on them then I guess is your position.

    Do you believe in the death penalty?
     
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    do you have numbers of late term abortions? do you know how late these abortions occurred and why?
     
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    It's not a government entity although they provide services that the government would have to pick up if they were forced to close.
    About 40% of their funding comes from the government with none of that going toward abortions.
     
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    My niece got her cancer treatment from them.
     
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    I don't believe in late term abortions and history has shown they occur most often when medically supervised safe abortion methods are illegal. The only late term abortion that should be legal in my view is one that is necessary to save the life of the mother while attempting to save the life of a child....mother's also abort children in the womb who are not living...which they have no choice in...I trust doctor's who have worked as trauma surgeons....my neighbor is a retired emergency room trauma surgeon and has a very long history of these situations and complications that arise from them. I believe in freedom of choice for women capable of making coherent choices across the board...it's not my place to insist they do anything I might choose to do.
     
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    I know many doctors won't do late term abortions already and I would have no problem in restricting it unless medically necessary. I also know most clinics offer counseling before they will even consider any abortion. I hate to see us go back to the back alley days of illegal abortions. To me, the supreme court ruled on this already in Roe vs Wade so essentially abm is asking to go against the supreme court ruling.
     
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    If PP could keep their mitts off of convenient abortions, and the like, I can absolutely understand the need for an entity (government or not) whose focus is on the medical care and preventative health education of females and males alike.

    I've been answering your questions, do YOU believe in the death penalty?
     
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    I believe in the death penalty absolutely...I don't believe in feeding and housing and caring for a serial killer for 70 years while they make a movie of his life either....
     
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    Is there a 'late term abortion' issue in the US? I think its about 1-2% of all abortions, and due to health of the mother, or her life being in danger. Do people think that women walk into Planned Parenthood at 35 weeks and say, yeah, please end this?
     
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