Politics Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he's now for impeaching Trump

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  1. Lanny

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    I'm against the death penalty. No. 1 it goes against my religion. Why should we kill someone when we have the ability to keep them away from the public for the rest of their lives.
    To answer riverman's remark, proceeds from serial killer book and movie deals do not go to the serial killer. I think they go to the families of the victims.
    I'd like to add that the dollar cost of keeping a serial killer in prison for the rest of his life is cheaper than putting him to death. I can look that up if anyone disputes it, but be forewarned, I've looked it up before.
     
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    https://www.thebalance.com/comparing-the-costs-of-death-penalty-vs-life-in-prison-4689874

    You're right though those who are for the death penalty would probably add that the reasons for that are all because of the process in order to execute someone and that people on death row are in it for an average of 16 years. So the argument for would also need to include a better, cleaner, faster process to execute.

    I'm against the death penalty though.
     
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    I'm all about that. I just would prefer that my tax dollars don't go to an organization that's involved with performing abortions by choice (non-health-threatening situations and the like). If there are private entities that provide such, then so be it.
     
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    OK, ya got me there, Lanny.

    https://rtl.org/legislation/tax-dollars-paying-for-abortion/

    Does Planned Parenthood use taxpayer money on abortions?
    Planned Parenthood receives more than $500 million dollars in taxpayer funding every year. Much of their taxpayer money comes through Medicaid, which is jointly funded by federal and state taxpayers. Currently 17 states add their own state taxpayer dollars to pay directly for abortions. They also receive many taxpayer dollars through the Title X family planning program. There is zero meaningful separation of staff, facilities, and operational costs at Planned Parenthood clinics between government-funded services and abortions. Federal contract rules allow taxpayer funds to pay staff salaries, supplies, and facility costs on a “pro-rated” basis. It is merely an accounting gimmick; tax dollars literally pay the rent and energy costs to keep abortion clinics running and funds staff that help perform abortions. Planned Parenthood claims abortion is inseparable from their mission, and with half of their budget coming from taxpayers, it’s safe to say our tax dollars are inseparable from their abortion mission. Recent annual reports show Planned Parenthood’s dramatic increase in taxpayer funding has led them to expand abortion while cutting clients and other health services.
     
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    and why is that an issue? It's allowed by law and backed by the supreme court ruling which is the highest court in the country. You want to make your own laws? You say you are a single issue voter and that issue is abortion. A president has very limited ability, regardless of his stance on an issue,to be able to do anything about it and I would be surprised if it ever got to the supreme court again that they would over rule an already established verdict. You said you voted for trump simply on his stance on abortion but yet you get all the baggage that he has already shown and nothing has been done on abortions other than to try and defund Planned Parenthood which does much more than abortions.
     
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    What I'm really saying there is that I voted AGAINST Hillary and all she's stood for in this realm. I'm also saying that, in my opinion, if any of the Democratic candidates running are elected, they, too will continue to push the right-to-choose agendas. I don't like that, nor most anything else they're running on. Again, as mentioned, I'm a Kasich guy at heart. And, yeah, he's a right-to-lifer.
     
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    So you have no problem with your tax dollars paying for the massive amount of golf that trump plays and the enormous cost to tax payers, or the enormous defense budget in which our budget is more than the next 6-8 highest countries combined? or 25 billion plus for a border wall? or for this administration to take money from programs that were funded by congress and trump tries to divert that money for his wall? No problem with your tax dollars being used that way eh?
     
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    I think you're confusing partisan politics with women's rights and the freedom to choose is a two way door....I'm glad you are free to have as many babies as you want and vote against your opposition...I'm also really glad there's an opposition...the agenda to me is purely freedom of choice...for you and the teen raped by the weird creepy uncle.
     
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    I have plenty of problems with that. Going in, though, I didn't see it forthcoming. Kasich has proven to be fiscally responsible. That said, fiscally speaking, I kind of like former governors as presidents. They understand many aspects of governmental management.

    See, ol' ABM is not quite as deeply entrenched as one may think. Heh.
     
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    Many of us did and why choosing a president on a single issue, especially one that was already decided by the supreme court, isn't always a good policy as you may never get your single issue, but you will get all the problems that person brings. Welcome to the last 3 years.
     
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    I would probably never vote for the Democrats again if there were even a glimmer of hope for an independent candidate to have a fair playing field with the big two..I cannot trust the Republican Party to support progress and unity anymore..I voted Gary Johnson last time but this time I believe that any vote against Trump is not just belief in a party but damage control for the nation as a whole....I urge all voters to vote against the current administration by supporting the leading opposition candidate in the final voting process. I'm hoping it's a candidate that can and will work with Congress, the Senate and the Justice Department without partisan bickering but for the purpose of fixing our infrastructure and repairing our leadership role in the world..as well as rebuilding trust in our own intelligence agencies. Conservatives should be thrilled that they have succeeded in stacking the Supreme Court as it stands.
     
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    To me, human life is precious and shouldn't be simply as disposable as a tampon. Rather than counseling and/or human resources to if-at-all-possible help the mother keep her "unwanted" child, it occurs to me that abortion is the #1 current solution. In other words, "Next!"

    BTW, this was a very poignant movie...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unplanned
     
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    Gosh, you're right!

    I should have voted for Hillary, darn it all!!
     
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    Gosh, I doubt it would be worse. At least we wouldn't hear 10 times a day that the media is the enemy of the people or the constant personal insults to various congressmen and other authorities. The multitude of issues this president has just keep piling up. I'm proud to be an American, but I am definitely not proud to have a president like we do. :blink:
     
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    sensationalized statement ABM......walk a mile in someone's not so precious circumstances....you should see the tears and anguish of a traumatized unprepared victim of sexual assault facing this dilemma and give it some serious humanitarian consideration. You should visit a clinic where discarded crack addicted babies are being cared for by volunteers only to suffer and die ...the door is a two way door...the good story and the bad one. Choices are individual and that freedom is precious. Some cultures justify murdering rape victims by public stoning for religious law....I think forcing these problems underground is cruel and inhumane treatment with no consideration for the right to choose one's destiny. Teach your children your truth...at the same time allow others to teach their own truth as well...in America these choices are imperative to our greatness as a society.
     
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    anti-abortionists have a warped sense of the people having abortions. they in fact do believe its many times "like throwing away a tampon". That is a gross generalization and ridiculous.
     
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    We'll never know.
     
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    You misread my intent. There are clear differences between what you have described, and someone simply, and arbitrarily, not wanting that child. I had also discussed the counseling and human resources aspects of the situations. There are countless testimonies of girls/women who, when counseled and provided various resources, decided to keep their baby....and SO glad they did.
     

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