Politics Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he's now for impeaching Trump

Here's the problem for me as someone who votes independent for the most part because I am very much against what the two-party system has turned into.
In my opinion, too many of the currently running Democrats go so far against how I would like the country to run, they all seem pretty far left IMO, which is ok for others but it's much further left than where I want to go. I'd rather vote for a third-party candidate or an independent, then simply use my vote as a vote against someone. I totally understand and respect where you're coming from and what you're saying, it's not that I'd be "upset" if EW, or Biden or really any one of those candidates won, but they certainly wouldn't be getting my vote because I "want" them to win, it would just be because I want Trump to lose.

 

I don't think I misread anything....I said there are good and bad stories but my point is, both sides need legal recourse for their beliefs and sense of responsibility and one side does not get to dictate that to the other side ….there's nothing more personal or emotionally challenging than making that choice and women in America and across the globe have spoken out to protect that right...as it stands both camps of belief have the same rights....you're saying only the one you subscribe to should. I'm saying it's better off in the hands of professional health care specialists...including counselors...but in reality a 13 year old girl probably doesn't think about sex education or parenting and weird creepy uncle is not seeking counseling and probably slept through sex ed in high school. These issues in society are always case by case issues....for the record I argue this issue with my sister all the time who's a staunch irish catholic and shares your views

 

Counseling is already part of the process, and even if some decided against abortion there were also many who decided to go through with it. In other words, it was THEIR choice, not yours, mine or anyone else. Do you have numbers to show how many decided against abortion after being counseled compared to how many decided to go through with it? It's really irrelevant anyway as the process has worked. Some decided against the abortion. Their choice. Some decided to go through with it, again their choice.

 

I understand, but an issue this critical still needs guardrails in place. I could be mistaken, but I happen to believe, overall, the left want less and less of those (guardrails).

 

It's certainly one thing to be counseled, provided various resources (assistance and care for the child)...even adoption options....and in the final analysis the mother still chooses aborting the child, as opposed to simply advocating for abortion. And don't think that doesn't happen. I'm wanting the abortion decision to be one of the last case scenarios.... not among the first.

 

For only freedom of choice? Because I see lots of "guardrails" the left would like to establish (re-establish now that Trump has eliminated them), for the environment, taxation of the rich, and corporate greed. Just not the kind of "guardrails" you or the republicans care about.

 

That's a really good question, barfo. I'm probably more of an Independent as both parties have let me down in various ways. The potential issue and question there for me is....would said third-party candidate actually pull from the Republican voters (as it would from me), as opposed to from the Democratic side? Obviously, I still lean right.

 

Obviously, Trump ain't your Mama's Republican.

 

having traveled this great country extensively, and spending time in some...weird places...and considering what i see going on right now, i will make the case we need more abortions.

 

Sorry, let me re-word that:

....and in the final analysis the mother still chooses aborting the child, as opposed to following the initial (Planned Parenthood's?) protocol of simply moving forth with abortion.

 

I'm not sure who the current group of candidates are. I actually liked Gary Johnson for the most part. There's certainly some of "voting against" the two parties, but I also find most of the third-party candidates have been Libertarian and I'd typically vote that direction more so than the other smaller parties. Keep in mind I wasn't old enough to vote until 2003, 2004 (I wasn't even in the country for most of the 2004 election cycle I was in Canada) was the first "presidential candidate" I could vote for and I didn't really care enough about this stuff to care until the 2008 election and I don't remember who I voted for then. So your version of "recent decades" doesn't apply to me as much because I haven't even been old enough to vote for multiple decades.

edit: If Tulsi was a third party Candidate, I may go that way? I don't know I'm not super comfortable with her either (though I think the Russia stuff is kind of nonsense with her)...

Also, I am absolutely for having another strong party in the US. So I get it, I'm sort of voting against something or could be, but in my mind, I'm voting for things and changes I'd like to see. Think any time we vote were voting for and against something or someone I can't really get around that completely.

 

Super easy call.

 

You have no idea if it's a first decision or a last decision though. You are assuming everything is how you view it. Have you ever gone through the process? I know females who have. Bottom line, it's also legal as decided by the supreme court. It went to the highest court in the system for a decision and you may not like the decision, but that's how the democratic process is suppose to work. It would be one thing if a lower court had made the decision and want to try and push it up to a higher court, but it already went to the highest. I didn't like the results of this last election and want a re-vote, but I understand that's never going to be an option and only can hope he gets voted out in the next election and with this guy possibly impeached for his violations.

 

Agreed. And I like Trump's choices there.

 

Easy for you to say.

I doubt you'd ever watch this movie, but....