Politics Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he's now for impeaching Trump

There are so many reasons why a 3rd party candidate will struggle to make an impact so to try and attribute it to people saying it's a "wasted vote" isn't a very strong argument. One can also argue that people who want to vote for a 3rd party candidates is because they have a built in bias against the two main parties. Not saying you do, but I think that's also a factor. To them it's a change away from what they consider traditional candidates but look what happened this last presidential election with a non traditional candidate. We got trump. Look how that's working out? lol

 

Economically it's working out quite well actually. I think Trump is going down this next election, but there is no question the economy is doing very well.

 

Sure there are arguments all over the place that can be made. I do have a bit of bias vs the two parties, I won't deny that. There's a lot of reasons people don't vote third party, yes and it doesn't always come down to a "wasted vote", but I was addressing that you said (paraphrasing) that you feel like voting third party means you don't really have any effect on the outcome. Which to me you have the same effect on the outcome either way. It's one vote.
I'm not trying to tell you how to vote or anything like that. I just find it frustrating that IMO the two parties are so powerful there is basically no shot for anyone to win who doesn't align themselves with the TOP of one of them, Trump is probably the closest we've ever got but he definitely went straight to the extreme right and got those people all riled up.

 

Sure, but I don't necessarily attribute it to trump and it was at the cost of a trillion dollar deficit. Despite all of trumps horror stories of how bad the USA was during his campaign and now it's all of a sudden great because of HIM. He was fortunate to inherit a strong economy and a unemployment already in a steep decline. In the meantime he has reduced or eliminated regulations that effect clean air, clean water, safety at the workplace as well as many other negative things while he steals money that has already been appropriated for his stupid border wall at the cost of around 25 billion if he had his way. Meanwhile I drive everyday over roads that have pot holes and a pain to drive on.

 

Oregon roads are 77% state-funded, so ask your batshit crazy Governor about that one.

 

Because it makes no sense to me when people such as yourself continue to bandy about, and seemingly want to debate, Trump's atrocities when there's absolutely nothing short of impeachment that can be done about it.

Meanwhile, I've been waiting to see and hear y'all discuss the Democratic party candidates' solutions to the current issues...and I'm not seeing much activity there. Everyone simply wants to bash Trump. But, it occurs to me that he will be either a) fully impeached or b) unelectable. So, if he's going bye-bye either way, then who really cares? MoveOn.org

 

The roads in Tennessee are wonderful. Moreover, the state is fiscally sound.

 

Just an aside......in the past 2 1/2 years I have driven extensively throughout this country and seen most of it. While Oregon highways may have their issues, ours are WAY better than virtually every state’s highways I have driven on outside the west coast. And that is no small exaggeration. The highways in the Midwest (especially) are a travesty and it’s hard to understand why the trucking industry (in particular) isn’t up in arms about it. In many cases I chose to take secondary roads because they were in better condition. I was grateful to be back on western roads. And after the last trip I sold the car I bought for road tripping because I was so concerned about the beating it had taken. So maybe it ain’t saying much, but Oregon roads are better than most. And for what it’s worth, I wish we could sweep Kate Brown out of office with Donald Trump. They’re both crooks. Only the gender is different....

 

when he is gone, I will move on. When you are gone, I won't respond to you.

 

I'm calling bs on this post....you have brought up one voting factor in your decision to vote Trumps ticket...and posted pretty regularly about his detractors while showing little awareness of the opposition candidates ….and for one single issue. I've brought up many issues ...Warren and Klobuchar have detailed plans for criminal justice reform. Warren and Sanders want to give new families some debt relief from college loans to support their ability to buy a house, start a small business or raise a child. If a candidate interests me, I read their website...I've read several. When talked about here, it just becomes lumped into .."I don't like the left wing ideology" from your camp...no details, just a generalization justified by one point of contention. Walk the walk. The talking points in the democratic debates also have pointed out health care plans...tax fairness according to income levels, our role in global diplomacy...you either listen to the debates, read their websites or just complain that you don't like them for your one reason. Hence the right wing supporters are not addressing important issues that are issues for all americans, not just those with a pro life agenda. There's plenty of common ground if one takes the time to consider it.

 

At this early point, none of the Democrats interest me...and they may never. I'm simply saying why are y'all not moving on and discussing "in here" the attributes of your various candidates, as opposed to trotting out the latest and greatest Trump-bashing points? I even went to the 2020 Field DNC thread wanting to be more informed - even making comments in there as such - without much success.

Invariable, when I'm discussing Trump et al with y'all, it's been when I've been asked questions directly (and/or remarks directed towards me), and am simply responding to those.

 

As I mentioned to riverman, my political comments invariably come from yours and others questions. You won't be seeing me calling you out, mon frere.

 

you said nothing can be done but impeachment...there are three other options. He resigns....he's beaten at the voting booth...he's convicted of crimes and imprisoned. ….Nixon was smart enough to resign before he could become impeached...Trump would be smart to cut a deal and move on.

 

I did mention "unelectable"... if that's even a word.

 

I haven’t traveled east of the Mississippi, but have driven the west extensively. The only roads I can think of that are worse than Oregon’s are maybe Washington and definitely Idaho’s. Idaho being the worst by far. Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska, both Dakotas, even Utah...all have drastically better roads than Oregon. Shit, even Texas had better roads than Oregon, although they are lined with trash. I’m not saying Oregon roads are terrible, but the precipitation takes its toll.

 

Where I live our gas tax has funded road repairs...we have great roads now compared to 20 years ago....and I live near a small town...Eugene is two years away from completing the rebuilding the city streets and highways...they have been working on them constantly the last couple of years...Hawaii had the best roads I've seen in America....with the volcano the road crews are good at repairing things quickly...they don't have very complicated routes though....easier to maintain I guess. I've heard Alaska has terrible roads

 

There was mention in this thread of someone making a bigoted response, which I didn't think was, and then there is this...

 

last time i was in texas i noticed how CLEAN the freeways were compared to oregon, total opposite if your take. ive never seen more trash along freeways than in oregon.

 

I have heard Alaska’s are terrible as well. And I don’t want to sound biased or toot my own horn, but Wyoming roads really are a thing of beauty. Wide, smooth, always freshly painted and paved with pink scoria. It’s like the episode of Seinfeld where they widened the roads and Kramer kept falling asleep while driving because they were so nice. Maybe that’s too much of a good thing though.

 

utterly clueless moron. such a stupid person. SAD!