Politics Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he's now for impeaching Trump

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  1. MarAzul

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    and that's why corn grows in Iowa! Right, that's cogent.
     
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    separate issues concerning road conditions in the middle of the country...and underground lakes are why corn grows in Iowa without irrigation..you fishin' for rusty cans again?
     
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    Congratulations to governor Trump for finally breaking the American democracy - when congressmen think they should storm the rooms of congress committees they do not belong to.
     
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    Can't stand Trump but I'd like to know when the word "lynching" became a racially exclusive term. By definition, a lynching is essentially a mob execution without a trial.
    And we'll never know just how many lynchings were never reported/recorded.
     
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    I don't know. I'm saying the same thing. :dunno:
     
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    I wouldn't call it a racially exclusive term, but I can see why blacks consider it racially insensitive and it was definitely an improper thing to even say whether it was thought to be racist or just plain stupid. but then again, when has trump ever been sensitive to anyone else but himself? If trump wants to play the game of sensationalizing things that happen to him, then it seems it should be ok for the democrats to turn it back on him.
     
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    Can you deny that a vote for a third party candidate would be a wasted vote? No.
    A third party can win support but not by voting for it unless there's an overwhelming desire for a third party by, let's say, 30% of the voters.
    It happened before when John Anderson and Ross Perot ran for President.
     
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    I don't believe it is a "wasted vote", that's basically saying well if you don't vote for the winner you wasted it.

    Did you ask me a question and then try to answer it for me? :)

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    I don't think it's a waste of a vote to vote for who you want to win, or what you want to see happen. Especially if my vote is supposedly my voice to those people, if I'm displeased with the DNC / GOP, voting for them essentially tells that I'm supportive of them, which I am not. I will probably always seek a third-party candidate to vote for before voting for either of those two's candidates.
     
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    It is absolutely pathetic that these people are not in custody right now for breaking the freaking law.

    Even worse that they planned to do this when Pelosi is out her bro's funeral.
     
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    It's not basically saying something, it is saying something.
     
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    So you wasted your vote when you didn't vote for Trump, since he won?
     
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    Of the 4,743 people lynched in the United States from 1882 to 1968, 3,446 were Black folk. You could understand why Black Americans might be a little sensitive about the subject.
     
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    Biden said years ago that the impeachment of Bill Clinton was a political lynching.
     
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    I'm well aware of the numbers, which is why I pointer to the fact that there's no way of knowing the exact number of "lynchings"...and the term is not predicated on being hung by a rope.

    I'm also aware that some blacks are "sensitive" about it and many other things, and IMO, over-sensitive sometimes. Not everything has to be racial, how many black on black murders have there been since the last lynching of a black by a white? People don't want to talk about that.

    Until I was in my teens I believe the only time I heard the term "lynching" was on TV watching Westerns.
     
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    I've voted for a third party candidate in the past, but I no longer believe that it's a useful tactic. You might as well just not vote. No one cares about the 3% who voted for Gary Johnson last time, and no one is going to care about the 1% who vote for Tulsi or whomever this time. If you are displeased with both major parties, that's just fine with them. They'll know it's safe to ignore you and concentrate elsewhere. Much more important are the people who would vote for their party but might not vote at all, and the people who are genuinely persuadable to vote for either party.

    The only way that will ever change is if there is an actual, viable third-party candidate that tens of millions of people are genuinely excited about. I don't see any possibilities for that anytime soon. You need a hero, and heroes are in short supply these days.

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    Apparently Hillary cares... Since she's saying that those third parties are why she lost (basically) and that the GOP / Russia is grooming another third party to keep them from winning, so someone cares.

    I could be persuaded that an individual running for one of those parties may be worth my vote, but I'll readily admit that they have an uphill climb with me, as I don't trust the two-party system or the two parties themselves all that much.

    For the record, you're probably right that's just fine with them, but that's a problem of democracy isn't it. Were told our vote is important to go vote, "be heard", but in reality, they really don't care unless were voting for them. They don't care about our voice if it's not in line with what they want to hear, they'll just ignore it.
     
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    Do you think the Democrats are doing a lot of outreach to make sure that Jill Stein voters are motivated to vote Democratic this time? I don't think so. I think they rightly view those voters as lost causes.
    It is true that if everyone who voted for Jill voted for Hillary instead, she would have won. And it is certainly frustrating for the candidate who loses by a narrower margin than the 3rd-party votes. But reducing third party votes to zero isn't realistic and many third party voters are like you - unlikely to vote for D or R regardless of what the party or candidate does.

    They'll also care if you vote against them. Voting for a third-party isn't really voting against them though, it's closer to not voting at all.

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    It is also true that if everyone who voted for Jill voted for Hillary, Hillary would've still lost... I think you touch on an interesting point though when you say unlikely to vote for D or R regardless of what the party or candidate does. I'm not totally sure what they could do to get my trust, but it's worth thinking about.

    I think your last line is pretty debatable.
     
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    How can those both be true? For the record, it looks like your statement is correct and mine was wrong - unlike MI and WI, Trump's margin in PA was greater than the number of Stein votes, and Hillary would have needed PA.

    Well, I'm here if you want to debate it :)

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