Politics Hillary Clinton says Tulsi Gabbard is a 'Russian asset' groomed to ensure Trump reelection

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Have you read Taylor's opening statement? If not you should. Let me know if you see a reason to call it non-credible.

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    I have not, I will at some point this weekend. Though as you point out I'm not sure how important it is that you and I find it credible.
     
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    Do you have more than his opening statement?
     
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    It's not a very hard puzzle to put together with the witnesses testimony that has been already revealed. I believe the box says easy to put together ages 5 and up. :clap:
     
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    I do not. However, if the rest of his testimony contradicted the opening statement in a major way, I'm sure we would have heard about it by now. The republicans on the committee have every reason to leak that sort of data.

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  6. barfo

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    It's incredibly important that I convince you to raise your estimate of the likelihood of impeachment above 50%. I won't be able to eat or sleep until I achieve this goal.

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    So I went and read it. I found it, interesting. I'm not sure it itself proved much, other than he had some logical reasons to be concerned. There were definitely some lines that seemed pretty "bad" for Trump and others that didn't. Whether it was truthful or not it appeared that Trump did not consider it to be a quid pro quo (though it probably was) and that he was just doing business, which when there are people's lives on the line is definitely wrong in my opinion. Unfortunately, it seemed almost all the information he was getting was second hand. I don't really have any reason to believe he is lying about it. For the record I don't doubt that there was an abuse of power or even a quid pro quo in play here, I just question how well it can be proven without a doubt that there was. I understand impeachment is not the act of proving it, but I do hope there is more evidence then one guy told another guy over a phone call, or a text message.

    The only thing that sort of bothers me about this sort of statement and using it as "evidence" is multiple times he admits that it was his, "feelings", and even in his 1st paragraph he relays that this is his "view" on the what happened, which is all a testimony really is at the end of the day.

    Definitely interesting and I'll give it more thought.

    We'll go 51/49 impeached! ha. :)

    Overall I'm glad they're doing the inquiry because if nothing else there definitely is grounds to look further into it.

    edit:
    I would like to say that he seemed to go into this situation with good reasons to be paranoid about this stuff in Ukraine, his wife didn't want him to go, and he seemed to admit that from the offset he was concerned. All reasonable, but confirmation bias tells us his "feelings" may have just been his brain communicating to him what he already thought was the case.

    Just like me reading his testimony or you reading his testimony will probably tend to get out of it what we want.

    Oh, and I hope Trump does get impeached and relieved of his duties...
     
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    I've accomplished my life's goal, I am ready to meet my maker.

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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    See what? I don't even know who to search for.
    It would help a lot if you would include the automatic quote that is included in your response of the person and his post that you are referring to.
     
  10. MarAzul

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    Ah!
    Due process!

    Impressive.
     
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    I will be very surprised, no not disappointed but surprised if the Dems every find the balls to impeach Trump.
    They have been looking for a way so long now, they appear to be fools to all but the fools. It would be a disaster for them to do so with no chance what so ever to make it stick.
     
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    They don't necessarily have to make it stick....but they can create enough doubt to make a difference in the next election which is probably even more important than removing Trump from office via impeachment.

    You can deny it all you want, but the GOP as we've known it is dead.
     
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    Exactly what is going on.

    Dems can't win elections, can't live with the Constitution.
    If you want war, I hope you get it.
     
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    The GOP is no better/worse than the Dems.

    And sorry, but yes, the Dems can indeed win elections...and the GOP are just as guilty of trying to change/circumvent The Constitution.


    As far as the "If you want war, I hope you get it." comment, all I can say is "wow, just wow".
     
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    I'm going to assume that you're conversing with Marzy, in which case I'm going to totally agree with you.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Yup, it was marzy...I assume you have him on "ignore"?
     
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    Crazy Tulsi and her “transparency” lolz.
     
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    I don’t know?
    I’ve got friends and relatives in blue & red states, some libertarian, democrats & republicans and independents, there values and beliefs pretty much have stayed the same which is great. Why does a certain party have to be dead? I don’t see things other than more receptiveness to social issues.
     
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    Can't win elections? Last time I looked they seemed to have done extremely well during the 2018 elections, you know, the blue wave and the one that seems to have problems with the constitution is your president.
     
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    Crazy Tulsi needs to understand how the process works.

    Federal judge ruled yesterday that the impeachment inquiry is perfectly
    legal.
     

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