Politics A new witness is about to damage Trump.

I dont agree with this just like I don't agree that all dem extreme progressive/socialist, open boarders, or decibels of the Clintonian doctrine.
Just my opinion....

 

The only chance the GOP as we know it, has in order to survive is IF they finally develop some semblance of a backbone and finally unite and call out Trump for his BS.

 

I don’t agree with you on this. Clearly we are talking the party in general. The individuals in the party are not showing an ounce of integrity and showing they cant be subjective. They are hitching their wagon to someone who repeatedly and FACTUALLY lies and is perfectly fine misleading his base. Unfortunately, his base isn’t smart, and they fall for it. It’s the perfect storm. If the party as a whole stands by and supports blatant lies and immoral behavior they are guilty. You are who you surround yourself with, as they say. This party is not, however, “falling apart”. That’s the problem. In my opinion it’s only getting started.

 

There are a lot of “republican” individuals who dont like Trump though. There are a lot of republicans who dont support him. So the leadership does, but as we saw in 2018 people have spoken against a lot of those people. I just disagree with painting every single R as a hateful, spineless, whatever because of Trump or a bunch of old GOPer’s.
Sure in general the GOP does not look good and their whole “values” thing looks very hypocritical right now, but I think speaking in such broad brushes and painting them all that way does 0 good it just fans the flames.

 

Good. Fan the flames. Maybe it’ll burn it down. Who are these Republicans who are speaking out and taking a stand against Trump? Romney’s tweet? That’s the big stand? It sure wasn’t any of the 20+ dinks who stormed the impeachment hearings or whatever the fuck that was. I don’t hear them on Fox. I heard a Fox anchor go against trump. He’s no longer there, how weird.

 

I wouldn't know what you’re hearing on fox cause I never watch it.

Here’s the reality though, there are people on both sides who feel threatened by the other right now, who feel like their political leanings make it so they have 0 value as people and fanning the flames all that does is create more violence, more hate crimes, all the stuff that I have seen you complain about when it happens. The reason why Trump is so bad is because he’s divisive, he spreads it and feeds off of it. It will lead us to civil war if people dont stop with the over generalizations and constant if you arent on my side then you can just burn in hell. Sure we can complain about the DNC and the GOP and they both need their reform or abolishment, or more parties with new ideas, but when people run around the internet and brandish about how everyone sucks they’re all bigots, all people hear is they arent worth it, they’re life isnt worth it, and then they go shoot up places. Then we all jump on the internet to go point fingers at everyone else and our politicians for gun laws all the while looking for reasons to stereotype and create a cycle of hate, which is where we are today. If you really want less violence, and less mental health problems and for less divisiveness from our politics then as a society we have to stop fanning those flames and telling our politicians that it sells well.

 

For the record you're completely free to have your opinion and to speak it, and I get it the GOP looks awfully bad right now. I just think it's dangerous to just fan the flames, it seems like a lot of hate begets hate type of stuff going on and I just have a different opinion on how to handle it, but that's life we have different opinions on stuff.

 

Just read they've found the Trump phone call transcript was doctored to eliminate incriminating conversations....figures. Perfect phone call! Thanks to my editor! He's been spouting "read the transcripts" since this impeachment proceeding. Now we know why.

 

You got a link?

 

At this point you have to fight fire with fire. Trump and his lunatic fans don’t play fair. They lie, cheat and spread a false narrative. If you sit back and play nice it’ll never stop. I’m not worried about a “civil war”, so to me this is all just to get them out of office and hopefully in jail. Fuck them.

 

History has a tendency to repeat itself, go look at the rhetoric and hate, breakdown in communication in our civil war and other civil wars. Its eerily similar and heck yeah I am worried about it, I have kids that I dont want to have to live through that.

I also completely disagree with you about how to handle it. Hate begets hate, and thats exactly what we see right now nationally, everyone’s fighting pointing the finger, yelling, and occasionally committing mass shootings. I have no problem with pointed, attacks at Trump or the leaders in the GOP for supporting him, I do have an issue with saying “all Republicans” like every single person who is registered as an R falls under the same stereotypes, which is what I objected to in the first place.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thewee...ll-transcript-omitted-trump-referencing-biden

 

Then all those innocent registered Republicans need to step up. Otherwise they are guilty by association. You’re either part of the problem or solution.

 

Washington post article....said the half hour conversation had at least half of the content replaced with elipses all in spots where critical conversation topics were being breached. They compared them with his talks with Australia and his talks with Mexico.....a fraction of the words for the half hour time of the call compared to any other call to a leader..Trump talks a lot. His call was clearly doctored.

 

I partially agree, but I'm not sure we're going to see eye to eye on and this and that's ok, can still respect your opinion. I said in 2015 if it was Trump vs. Hillary that could very well be the beginning of the end of the US, and I still believe that and so far after years of reading what people think on the internet, I've been given no reason to believe differently.

 

What will all you whiners do when the Senate probably dispenses with an impeachment in short order? Shit yourself would only seem proper with all the hate you have put into this cause.
Ha! Then you must endure another election .

 

hate is your word....disgust would be mine....you back on the shit yourself wagon again Marz? fact is you're whining about a conversation you don't agree with...walk the walk

 

What else could drive a process down this road to impeachment by one party alone?

"Hamilton warned that the process of impeachment might become political, causing factions to polarize further away from each other in their defense or prosecution of the impeached individual."

I would think at least a few would back up and look to the original intent of impeachment and see it for what it is when it is all one party. A party with zero chance to see it through.

 

And there is very clearly one side more to blame than the other. Who tends to have racists on their side? Who tends to commit most mass shootings? Who has failed at getting Mexico to build a complete waste of time wall? Who has ruined the reputation of America amongst our “allies”? This isn’t about two sides sharing equal blame. Nobody is perfect but this shit show that we have found ourselves in...hm..suddenly since Trump took over...can be mostly blamed on the right.

 

Simple...lies by the president about pay for play foreign blackmail for dirt on an American citizen to influence an election....you keep ignoring what's really going on here....and the fact that your party of favor is actively obstructing the checks and balances in place because of our constitution. Trump brought all this on himself to the embarrassment of conservatives everywhere....he's got more republicans disdain than you allude to. Those that don't have the integrity to hold him accountable are just trying to stay out of the line of fire. This is adult conversation about current events Marz...you either join in or find a group that supports your narrative. Try posting about his accomplishments and resume and why you're so happy with him all you want...expect me to post why I'm so unhappy with him all I want....the oversight committee is not partisan...it has members from both parties. I can list about 100 republicans that quit or were fired in the last two and a half years who support Trumps impeachment....Kelly, Tillerson, Sessions, Bolton on and on...….Trump is no loyal republican....he's a self absorbed narcisist...he calls Putin about his assassination of the ISIS guy and doesn't even bother to tell Congress......how can anyone not find this unacceptable