Yeah, but you also believe trump is a Christian despite so many things he does that goes totally against Christianity. Splain that one. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
anything associated with a Kardashian is always done for money. They are all some of the least realistic people around
I apologize if I misread or misinterpreted the bolded parts of your earlier post, but it appears you did "make the call" because the 2 statements seem to contradict each other.
They don't at all. Many people claim to be followers of Christ that is not then followed by the bearing of spiritual fruit. It's called walking the talk. This is different from an initial benefit of the doubt. That said, any person, at any time, can make a complete about face (repentance)...even after numerous failures to do so. At any rate, Jesus figuratively said forgive 70 times seven.
Ahh, so religion and/or the "finding of Jesus" can in some cases be more of a matter of convenience. I just don't see the difference in initially deeming someone not really sincere in their new found belief when they first declare it versus saying that they're not "real Christians" later on. It's been my experience that often times the only reason why some claim to be "born again Christians" is because they did something horrible or regrettable and they want to get out of going to jail for example or reduced jail time or some other calamity. It's somewhat like the little boy who's not one bit sorry he stole something but is very sorry that he got caught. And in many cases "finding Jesus" is somewhat like going to rehab... it seldom sticks or has a permanent effect.
Not sure why we can't just hold off on judging how true someone is to their espoused beliefs by waiting to see what fruit comes from their life. Like this is a fun one around here, what has come from Trump? Doesn't that speak a lot about what he really believes and what he stands for? If you spout hate, and division, and dissension, usually in your wake will be hate, division, and dissension. People have claimed a religion, secularism in China for example, amongst a multitude of things to get what they want who knows, what's going on in Kanye's head (if anything). I don't know Kanye West or anything about him. Should we just assume that all people no matter their world view, or espoused world views are simply using it for what they get out of it? It's probably a fair assumption. However, you can usually tell by the trail a person leaves behind how closely they hold their values, morals, world-views because they will eventually leave a trail that speaks much louder than their words ever will. It's fair to say, "I question if this dude is sincere", it's also fair to say, "We'll know when it's done how sincere he was".
So how do we know how to determine and when did you determine who is sincere and who is not "truly following" Jesus?...I mean if someone claims salvation but then breaks one of "The Commandments" is he then consider not to be a true follower?
The majority of the people who are church goers or claim to be, that I've experience since I was in my teens are/were "holier than thou" hypocrites.
I'm not going to get into a religious debate on if you like Christians and the Bible, and all that or not on here as that won't get us anywhere. I'll just say that I am firmly in the camp that by observation, listening, watching, and seeing what comes from someone's life will tell you much of what they valued, whether it was religious views, anti-religious views, whether they were a Democrat or a Republican, whether they loved their kids, whether they were a good spouse, whether money was their God, all that stuff you'll know what's valuable to someone based on maybe not "one action", but based on the sum of many actions.
While our personal experiences play a huge role in how we all view the world, I think you and I would both accept that our anecdotal relationships with Atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims whatever does not relegate all of them to being what our mind has conjured up the image of them to be, based on our extremely limited scope and view of the world.
The world is full of real people, good people, bad people, good actors and bad actors....too many people trying the acting gig and ignoring the "real" approach. When famous people stay in the news they stay, "famous people".....Al Green went from being a junkie soul star to a Reverend and gave up the fame for the right reasons...it happens...but I don't think Reverend Al Green is selling seats at his church....Kanye is...at his revivals at least. Looks like televangelism, it's probably televangelism
Curious that Muslims didn't make the list....just noticed it, not to argue but thought it was interesting seeing as how Muslims today are probably pigeon holed more than any other theology
And I'm saying that if someone is a POS and gets caught doing something immoral/illegal/improper and then suddenly declares the have seen the light and had "found religion" 99 times out of a 100 it's BS...if a guy beats his wife but goes to church, that's overlooked OK and his sins are forgiven?...and THAT is some of the "hypocrisy" I spoke about.
Not that my personal feelings matter, but yeah there is a lot of hypocrisy, I'm not denying that. I am saying that it's totally ok to question how sincere someone is, in this case Kanye, it's also fair for ABM to say he wants to see what Kanye does going forward make any judgment on if he's a "changed" person or not. That does not mean ABM is excusing Kanye's actions. Also I never once said it's ok for a guy to beat his wife if he goes to church, or that, that should be overlooked. I think no matter if it's true that someone found some religions or whatever you want to say their punishments for breaking the laws of the land, in this case Abusing a spouse or child should be the same. They're still accountable for what they did. Christians shouldn't overlook it, I'm not denying that. I know very little about Kanye, so I had to google if he had abused someone or not... BTW 99 out 100 is gonna be a hard one to prove, but I'll give it to you.
1. I did not intend to imply that I was pointing to you, it was only a random example. 2. The "99 out of 100" reference was based only on my personal experiences. But hey man, we're good.. . ,
