It's time for CJ McCollum to go.

I hate the way McCollum PLAYS now because he's proven he can play better in the past. I would hate playing with a teammate that routinely drove in on multiple defenders and passed less and less each season.

The funny part is if CJ played the way he is capable of playing he actually could be an All-Star even in the West.

 

I'll tell you what - i'll keep an eye out for possessions in which "he sucks in 2 or 3 defenders" when there's a wide open Anthony Tolliver waiting for him. I'm open for new ideas.

These threads are still stupid though, people are just whining to trade him even though there isn't a trade available and this team already suffers from repeating scoring droughts.

 

Kobe Bryant's AST% from 1999-2015:
22.4
23.0
25.9
27.2
24.4
28.5
24.1
25.5
23.9
23.8
23.8
26.7
23.7
29.7
34.6
29.9

CJ McCollum's last year:
13.8

That means that for pretty much his entire career Kobe was nearly twice as good of a passer as CJ is. It's a stupid argument, period.

Do I need to show you CJ's "hockey" assist numbers, because you do know I have those as well?

 

I've said multiple times that first of all CJ can't be traded until Jan 30th and second of all he's not going to be traded so I agree that it's pointless to talk about.

I simply want him to play at a level I know he's capable of playing at because he had 2 seasons where he actually did.

 

I legit can't believe this thread is still going.

 

It's all about making the shot or not - that's the difference between a selfish player and a winner who takes the team on his back.
If you lose games then you need a scapegoat too.

This whole shitstorm on this board was caused by CJ going thru a simple slump lol.

I don't care about the numbers as i care about the system and what goes on in a specific possession before i judge the overall assist numbers.

When Lillard goes for a 30 footer with a hand in his face at the beginning of the shot clock then no one here complains. There were several games we lost over the years because Lillard went for tough 3 at the end of the game when we didn't even need a 3pointer, yet I don't blame Lillard, i blame the system and Stotts.

 

What PG did Kobe ever play with as good as, or with as high usage as Dame? We've all long thought that if forced to play PG full time, CJ would look a lot better.

 

So we agree for the most part.

There won't be a trade for him even after Jan 30th.

 

A simple slump?

I've been providing 5 seasons worth of data. I guess that's a slump.

 

Yea, but i didn't see this shitstorm going on for 5 seasons.

We'll get back to winning soon and people will calm down.

 

But that doesn't account for why CJ's numbers have plummeted with nearly the same usage rates all 5 seasons. Every singly stat proves that he dribbles more and passes less when he has the ball each season since his breakout one.

 

I did this last year in a thread about CJ where I collated all his numbers in games without Dame in his career. He put up something lke 25-7a-4r, pretty much Dame numbers. Didn't pull AST% from that, but I'm sure one could.

Difference in his assist numbers were stark though, when compared to games in which Dame played. Wish I could find that post.

 

Really? There have been lots of people on here throughout the years that have disliked the way CJ plays. I loved the way he played in 2015-16 and 2016-17. I wish he would go back to being that player.

Heck if he played like he did in the 1st quarter of the Spurs game, he'd make an ALL-NBA team.

 

which = salary

 

I totally agree that if he was a full time point guard that his numbers would be different but that still doesn't explain how in his current role he doesn't pass as much as he did in prior years.

 

I wonder if our offense as a whole looked this stagnant in 2015-2016-2017. Too bad i deleted all these games from my hard drive.

 

Not trying to be contrarian, but i think most of CJ's passing/assists usually come when Dame is on the bench and CJ ran the show. Maybe it's anecdotal, but it's something. Don't think we can just blindly look at stats without looking at personnel or role.

Primary Backup PGs
2015/16: CJ, Tim Frazier for 35 games, Brian Roberts for 21 games (neither of these two played even 10 mpg)
2016/17: CJ, Napier for 53 games (9.7 mpg)
2017/18: Napier (74 games --21 mpg), Wade Baldwin (7 games, 11 mpg), CJ
2018/19: Turner (73 games, 22 mpg), Seth Curry (74 games, 19 mpg), CJ
2019/20: Simons (13 games, 21 mpg), CJ

I don't think it's a coincidence.

 

good, then trade him to a team where he can play PG so he can "blossom"

but that doesn't explain why so many other wings seem to find a way to be play-makers when playing with a PG

and by the way, CJ has spent about half of his minutes over the last 4 years playing PG when Dame is on the bench. It's not like he hasn't had the opportunity to improve his play-making. He has...he simply hasn't improved but instead has become worse. The excuses for CJ's flaws are amazing

 

Dude, I am one of the people who have advocated for trading CJ this year. That has more to do with Ant's development and improvement than anything else, but maybe just read the post above yours to see what I'm talking about? It's not an excuse. It's facts supported with evidence.

 

But there is no reason why CJ can't do similar things in his current role. Sure the assists per game might not be as high but passes and assist% there is really no excuse for if he's touching the ball the same amount of time he was in those seasons.