It's time for CJ McCollum to go.

He's definitely gunning it more, this is all eye test. The Spurs game was a revelation and it was clear someone tore into him in a film session-- let's see if he sustains it. I have never seen him make as many extra passes like he did that game.

 

He didn't even really sustain it in the 2nd half... lol

 

Neither did Dame. I think these guys do that when they perceive the game slipping away.

 

Like I said, he'd be All-NBA if he played more like that. It's why I'm so frustrated with him sometimes. He's proven he can play like that. He's even said himself that his passing needs to be better while not actually committing to it.

 

That's kind of fair. The difference is I think Dame's better so if someone's gonna go into hero ball mode most of the time I'd rather it was Dame than CJ.

 

here are some other facts:

FGA's:
2015-16 17.9 2016-17 18.0 2017-18 18.6 2018-19 17.8 2019-20 20.5

usage:
2015-16 27.1 2016-17 27.5 2017-18 26.5 2018-19 25.5 2019-20 26.2

* between 2015-16 and last season, his FGA's dropped 0.56%; and his usage dropped 5.9%

* meanwhile, his assists/game dropped 30.2% and his assist rate dropped 36.1%.

those are really significant differentials that indicate CJ's 4 year trend of declining play-making is not a function of less opportunity

 

Opportunity is not the same as role. When CJ is on the floor with Dame/Napier/Turner, he is more likely to shoot than distribute. And honestly, this year, I'm sorta OK with him jacking shots instead of passing it to the likes of Tolliver or Mario. When he misses open shooters in the corner is what bugs me most.

 

My interpretation of the data: When CJ passes less we get to the WCF.

 

I don't think that's a valid equation, but if you can somehow break down the time CJ has spent with Dame on the floor over the years, maybe there's something there. But I'm sure not buying that the reason for CJ's declining assist rate is ET or Napier

look at these numbers about CJ's shot clock usage for shooting:

2015-16:
0-10 seconds - 36%....11-15 seconds - 25%....61%

2016-17:
0-10 seconds - 36%....11-15 seconds - 27%....63%

2017-18:
0-10 seconds - 44%....11-15 seconds - 24%....68%

2018-19:
0-10 seconds - 46%....11-15 seconds - 24%....73%

now, it's possible there are other explanations, and I'm sure CJ fans will come up with something....but that sure looks like the numbers of somebody who has looked for their own offense, more and more often, rather than the teams' offense, over a 4 year period. It looks like somebody who has become steadily more prone to get the ball early in the shot clock and shoot it himself. It looks a lot like somebody developing a worse and worse case of hooplock

 

Everyone is having to adjust to one another. We all talked about how it would take at least 20 games for this team to gel, for people to figure out their roles. Ripping on the fact CJ is struggling seems to me to be too hasty. If we got in someone who did everything CJ didn't, we would complain that we were then missing all the things that CJ does. Dame and CJ like each other, work well, are good leaders and want to be here. That's incredibly rare.

 

ok and that's valid, but almost all of the discussions that have taken place in this thread over the last 5 or 6 pages have been about CJ from 2015-16 thru last season, not what's he's doing this season

 

smh

 

Ive studied statistics as well. Quit being pompous.

 

While you were studying statistics, I was studying the blade...

 

No i don't have anyone on ignore.
This forum was always this mixture of hype and then falling into whining about any player on the team including Lillard.

Now it's like a hoard of zombies moaning to trade CJ at every page and every thread, you ask them who they want in return and they reply with stat lines they memorized from basketball reference.

 

1) you chose one year of CJ’s numbers when he had low assists

2) this isn’t responsive to my points about assists being a secondary stat. Your comment also misrepresents my position and portrays my illustrative example about hockey assists as if it were my entire argument.

3) Kobe has the ball much more often than CJ.

 

Spoiler alert: CJ doesn't have a single season better than any of those 16 by Kobe.

You lost man.

 

you: ‘I’m more qualified to speak on the topic of statistics than you . I played college basketball.’ (Paraphrasing)

me: “I’m qualified to speak on the topic of statistics. I studied statistics and social science for years.”

You: “stop being pompous.”

 

Spoiler alert: Kobe had the ball way more than CJ and you’re comparing apples to oranges.

Being worse than Kobe doesn’t mean you’re a scrub.