I REALLY want to see video from the practice facility when Nurk is healthy and going against Whiteside. I could see that being Must Watch Blazer TV. Two of the better bigs in the league just pounding on each other.
The only reason not to trade Whiteside is if we are competing for the championship this year. Do you think this is a realistic goal this year ? I guess we will reevaluate around the trade deadline but anything short of winning it all and not trading Hassan becomes a mistake
Unless of course there's no other team actually willing to offer something worthwhile in exchange for him.
defining "worthwhile" might be a chore considering what Whiteside's 'worth' is to Portland: PER: Hassan Whiteside 25.6 Damian Lillard 24.5 CJ McCollum 17.3 Skal Labissière 15.5 Carmelo Anthony 13.9 TS%: Hassan Whiteside .645 Rodney Hood .625 Damian Lillard .608 Skal Labissière .588 CJ McCollum .548 Carmelo Anthony .511 FTRate: Damian Lillard .393 Hassan Whiteside .319 Mario Hezonja .290 Skal Labissière .226 Kent Bazemore .224 rebound rate: Hassan Whiteside 23.4 Skal Labissière 15.2 Mario Hezonja 13.3 Carmelo Anthony 10.4 Anthony Tolliver 8.9 winshares: Damian Lillard 4.4 Hassan Whiteside 3.6 CJ McCollum 2.0 Skal Labissière 1.5 Nassir Little 0.4 defensive box plus/minus: Hassan Whiteside 3.1 Skal Labissière 1.8 Kent Bazemore 0.8 Mario Hezonja 0.0 Nassir Little -0.3 box plus/minus: Damian Lillard 4.9 Hassan Whiteside 3.5 Skal Labissière 1.6 CJ McCollum 0.2 Kent Bazemore -1.8 winshares/48: Hassan Whiteside .222 Damian Lillard .205 Skal Labissière .135 Rodney Hood .100 CJ McCollum .090 finding a Whiteside trade that brings in a player better than him seems like a total fantasy. And we've already seen from this current team vs last year's team, that it's a major miscalculation to think the Blazers can dump rebounding and defense for some hypothetical offensive upgrade, and get better. Portland isn't going to be trading Whiteside for Paul George or Pascal Siakam. I think his trade market is going to be fairly unimpressive, and the odds seem really high Portland will get worse after a trade.....at least any trade that seems realistic rather just some wishful thinking
They have to trade whiteside because theres basically no way to keep him, he’s an expiring deal and dont have money to pay him in the free market. It has absolutely nothing to do with his current “worth” to the team. More than likely they’re looking for a star on a team who wants to start over thats where Blake and Klove come up, or they’ll just be looking to use him to add some depth.
You have to trade him. You are going to lose him guaranteed because you cannot pay him. Now think about that. You absolutely must trade him!
I have a different take. I don't think Hassan is going to score a major contract because of the value of a center in today's league. He's been described as a malcontent. He's in a contract year. He's been lazy before. This is the argument against him from other GMs in the league. Can we pay more than the MLE? If so, I don't think he'll get more than Nurk's 12. Why not pay that? I've been a Hassan fan before he got to Portland. The wrap on him was unfair and I was always confident he'd show that. Let's also be clear that we're not a good team yet. The Blazers have to have an open mind regarding trades. As it stands however, Hassan is more valuable than Love or Griffin at the moment and I don't think that's changing anytime soon.
Because I think even if they let Baze and WS walk and try to resign they only have 12m in cap and they have to put a team together. Whiteside is going to be looking for his last payday, Im also not sure Whiteside or Nurk will accept a “bench role”.
I do like whiteside, if there was a clear path to keeping him and having him and Nurk that made sense Id love to take it. I just think the circumstances of his Contract and the Cap are going to make that very difficult.
Jody can afford it. Look, I'm not saying we shouldn't trade Hassan. I'm just saying we almost certainly shouldn't trade him. He's a huge impact guy so it'll be difficult to trade him for someone giving you the same impact. But in case you can, at a position of need with a healthy contract, then you look at it. If you can't find that player, you keep Hassan and try to negotiate a deal. I don't think it's impossible. You promise the starting center position initially. No one is a bigger fan of Nurk than me, but he's coming back from a broken leg. Next season he must earn trust regarding his health. He won't demand to be a starter this season and in my opinion, not until half-way next season can he be back to who he was. If the issue arises, you deal with it at the time. Having two high impact centers who want to start isn't the worst thing. You can trade one for a high impact player later if you can't find one before this deadline. People could have sworn there was no way to get Nurk at just 12 mil. I don't think Hassan will command more than that. My guess would actually be less because of age and reputation.
But its not just it Jody can afford it. You have to fill out a roster, both Hassan and Nurkic have not been happy as a bench player in previous times in their career. Having a trade chip worth 27m is better than a trade chip of 12m. I get what you’re saying, Whitesides been really good, NO/Jody have tough decisions to make.
If you can find a great young player that projects as a starter and is a big impact player, you trade Hassan. But you don't do it for a bad contract, old aged Kevin Love or oft-injured Blake Griffin. This is my problem - What do you get back for him? I'd rather keep him and deal with playing time issues down the road than to trade him for lesser value. Nurk has to prove he can stay healthy for a while. When we get there, we can make a trade. Again, unless you can find a value that is equivalent or more.
Both Whiteside and Bazemore have Full Bird Rights so technically we could offer them max contracts. However, they could just sign with another team and leave us high and dry like Aminu did last year (not implying anything just same situation).
That's a complete fallacy. Good players on 'cheap' contracts are worth more than the same player getting paid double that
If you’re trying to trade someone for a “better player” and their only making 12m, and the guy you want is making 30 then that is a bad trade asset unless you have another bad or expiring deal to combine it with. Do you want to trade Nurk / whiteside + 2 guys for a guy like otto porter jr or just whiteside?
