Trade Bazemore being traded to SAC

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    maybe...

    but I've heard that song before: the "new guy" will shoot better in the Stotts offense. Heard it for Gerald Henderson and Afflalo and Turner and Stauskas and Bazemore and Hezonja and Tolliver. Wasn't true for any of those guys

    here's something else, career 3ptFG%: Ariza .351....Bazemore .349

    I think Ariza is a better player than Bazemore, but the gap isn't that big. He will likely play a lot more under control and that should be worth something
     
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    Yep. I get sick of that tired old line also. Stotts offense is not going to change what a shooter makes on open shots.
     
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    No, what they are saying is that they could trade him and the team that gets him could then waive him and only pay the 1.8 million but that is incorrect.
     
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    Like i said. Got a link to that?
    Not saying you are wrong at all. But what you are saying is he cannot be traded now before his contract becomes guaranteed? If he can be traded before that then he can indeed be waived before his contract becomes guaranteed and they could use him to level off another trade.
    Where is this rule?
     
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    the rule would be in the CBA somewhere, and if you've ever tried to find something in the CBA, you'd know you're asking for a lot. Even the CBA FAQ is a tough place to search:

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

    I asked about that rule in another thread because I remember something about that change....that after the trade deadline, a player with a non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed contract the following year could not be traded unless the contract was guaranteed. HJ said that was the rule, which kind of confirmed what I recalled, but I don't know where in the CBA or FAQ to confirm that rule

    if so, then the next 2+ weeks is the last time the Blazers can trade Ariza with that partial guarantee in effect. And, I'm not sure but Ariza might not be able to be included in a trade with other Blazer players right now
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Bazemore getting traded? Hey, don't get my hopes up just to dash them.
     
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    You could've just googled it but okay:
    https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07...ntract-rules-have-affected-recent-trades.html
    There is about 100 links that come up when I searched.

    Ariza can be traded. He can be traded once he is a Blazer until the trade deadline by himself. His deadline for being guaranteed is June 30th so he can be traded up until that date.

    What I'm saying is if he is traded after the season his contract becomes guaranteed next season, unless the salary isn't needed to make the trade work, which would not be the case in the type of move mentioned in the article. So, a team trades for him before February 6th they have the right to waive him and only pay the $1.8 million like the Blazers do. If that deadline passes his salary would have to be guaranteed for next season in a trade.
     
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    I understand that. But he is quoting Tom Ziller and there is a link to it in the post.
     
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    Henderson had his best year shooting from outside in Portland and his TS% was really only weighed “down” because of his free throw percentage (something Portland is routinely elite in btw)

    And if we’re going by TS%, Evan Turners career best came in Portland.

    No one said Afflalo would shoot better in Portland as he was already a good shooter, which translated.

    Others that didn’t have reputations as shooters that came to Portland and had career years

    Aminu
    Harkless
    Napier

    Or how about players that were developed in Portland that went elsewhere and didn’t replicate their numbers, like Crabbe.


    The song is fine.
     
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    Ariza can be traded again, just not with other players if the traded wouldn't work otherwise.

    For example (NOT SAYING THESE ARE PLAUSIBLE):

    Ariza and a 1st for Covington works.

    Ariza and Whiteside for Chris Paul doesn't work.

    This wasn't directed at you Wiz, even though I responded to you.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    I thought Ariza was in an old folks home.
     
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    Ok so what we have here is a difference in the part you read from Dwights column and what Tom Ziller wrote. Jaynes only quoted a portion of what was written.
    He left this part out. "If it does, and if Portland elects to make a major splash in the next couple of weeks or this summer, Ariza’s contract could really help make the numbers work." Then he went on to say this "If nothing comes to pass, the Ariza trade saves the Blazers a substantial sum of money. And if all that’s not enough, there’s a chance — not a big one, but a chance — that Ariza helps Portland in the right ways to take hold of the up-for-grabs No. 8 seed in the West."

    So really here if they use him before the trade deadline he can indeed be used as the full amount and then be waived. Just as the Blazers could do also.

    Thanks for clearing that up. I was a bit out of sync on that.
     
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    Nah. He won't be having breakfast with you anytime soon Lanny.... :breakdance:
     
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    Huh? That's not the Easter Egg and not at all what Ziller said. He specifically mentions trading him after the deadline "at the draft". This is the part I was referring to. As to trading him now they can't trade him for a big splash unless it's by himself so his contract is actually worse than Bazemore's contract because with Bazemore it could be combined with others and you would owe him nothing in the off season. With Ariza you'd have to pay him $1.8 million to go away. So it's still dumb that your "expert" would write that.
     
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    Even more so when Easter is April 12th.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    If he does, I hope he likes oatmeal 'cause you don't need any teeth to eat oatmeal. Ask me how I know.
     
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    It is what he said. I quoted it directly from his article. Right or wrong. I did not know the rule. My questions were for me. Not to say you or Ziller were wrong on your interpretation of the rules.
     
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    Let me guess. You are still waiting for your big teeth to come in?
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