No witnesses and an acquittal in the bag? Pre-dict-a-BULL. As I've said from the get-go, nothing but political theater in the whole process.
Not surprised. We already knew the outcome before the trial began. Trump owns the senate republicans. They are all spineless cowards.
One thing we can take solace with is that trump will be forever be IMPEACHED and nothing the republicans can do to change that and is the only one to be impeached in his first term.
And the Democrats knew what the outcome would be before they started the whole nonsense. If they had been smarter, IMO, they'd have called Trump's bluff and taken him to court to enforce subpoenas to get the witnesses they want. Why on earth would you want to rush to a conclusion in the Senate that results in Trump's acquittal and let's him waive that around during his reelection campaign? Much better to have had the proceedings in the House extend throughout the spring and made hay of Trump trying to dodge legitimate testimony from witnesses needed to prove your case.
Exposing trump and this administration for the hacks they are is at least a nice consolation prize. You call the impeachment partisan, but at lease the house had witnesses and evidence to suggest a wrong doing. The senate just closed their eyes and block a real trial. How it was explained to me is the house is the investigators and turn over their investigation to the senate. The senate then does the trial and I have never heard of a trial that doesn't have witnesses and especially since the trump administration blocked the majority of key witnesses and the refusal to turn over documents to the house. At least the house did as much of their job they could but the senate refuses to have a real trial and not do their job. 75% of the people want witnesses and documents turned over and the senate is going against those that vote for them. I hope they pay for it in 2020 during the election.
True. There will always be a stain. But, Trump will take his acquital as a victory over it and likely will prentend it never happened, just like the all the cases he has won wirh his crooked laywers. Karma will eventually bite him in the ass. It always does. Hopefully, that will be when he loses in November.
lol. the House still has subpoenas that have been issued from about 9 months ago that are still in the system. We have an AG that thinks he is trumps personal lawyer and refuses to do anything to get the witnesses to appear or documents turned over. More obstruction.
Oh no doubt, but he does that no matter what the outcome is and his base believes everything he says. That base isn't enough to get him re-elected as he needs many more and this sham might be the thing that pushes the undecided away from trump.
LOL? I don't know how long it would have taken to get the issue resolved in court. It would have been in the Dems' best interests if it never got resolved before the election. That way they could have painted Trump as the slimy bastard he is, trying to avoid legitimate inquiries needed to resolve the impeachment issue, throughout the entire primary season. Taking it to the Senate and hoping that they'd let there be witnesses called and letting the Repubs' sweep it all away in short order was stupid.
You seem to be under the impression it went in a way the Democrats didn't expect. Not sure that's true. It might be, I don't have any inside information, but it might not be. I'm guessing that they know the politics involved better than either you or I. Here's the alternative. Getting them to refuse to look at evidence and acquit blindly early in the year means that everything new that comes out in the next 10 months can be hung around the necks of both Trump and all the Republican senators. barfo
Could be, but I still think denying him the acquittal by leaving the issue hanging in the House would’ve been a smarter play. But, as you point out, what do I know?
New John Bolton bombshell as Republicans get the votes to block witnesses: His book says Donald Trump ordered him to help Giuliani meet Ukraine's Zelensky - which president denies but Rudy DOESN'T and calls Bolton a 'scumbag' The latest revelation come as the Senate starts debate on whether to call witnesses Surprise statement by Sen. Lamar Alexander reveals the votes aren't there for witnesses Trump told Bolton to assist his pressure campaign on Ukraine, former security advisor writes He says White House counsel Pat Cipollone was in the room at the time Cipollone has been leading the defense that Trump carried out no impeachable offenses Senators arrived in the Capitol Friday for four hours of debate on whether to call witnesses There remains a possibility of a 50-50 tie – where in theory Chief Justice John Roberts might be able to determine the outcome Giuliani said Bolton is 'making some of it up' and called him a 'scumbag' Trump denied giving Bolton the directive Drama came as Sen. Lisa Murkowski said she is a 'no' on calling witnesses https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...utes-Senate-starts-voting-call-witnesses.html
We see it differently obviously and I'm pretty sure the dems knew the situation going in. They also knew it would likely be difficult to get the senate to accept witnesses which would expose the republican senate and trump for their obvious obstruction. If they drug it out hoping to get subpoenas that could backfire on the dems and people thinking they were dragging this out way to long. Like I said, some subpoenas that were issued 9 months ago have barely moved so how long do you wait? I'm pretty sure the dems wanted to expose trump regardless before the election. We will see in less than a year when we have an election. I'm not sure the senate republicans played their cards right as it could easily backfire on them for not having a proper trial. If they allowed witnesses and then voted to acquit, then they have something to brag about. As it is, they look like shysters. The court of public opinion is a very powerful tool and one could say that the republicans played right into the hands of the dems in that respect.
Both sides are going to spin this whole debacle to their best advantage. Trump’s base will accept his spin without question, while the Dem base will view it as proof of how evil Trump and his “deplorables” are. So it’s mainly a matter of how the folks in the middle will view it. Time will tell, but I really wish that the Dem candidates were stronger and were making their pitch mainly to the middle instead of to the left.
Joe Biden hereby challenges you to a pushup contest! It's the primary. Things will become more centrist this summer, I feel safe in predicting. barfo
of course both sides are going to try and spin it. I just happen to think the dems have the better spin than the republicans. They shouldn't have fought the witness thing for the trial as I think that will turn a lot of people off and as polls show, 75% of the people say they would like to see witnesses in the trial. Those aren't all dems and a very large voting group that the republicans said "fuck you" to. My gut says the dems secretly preferred no witnesses from the republicans so that they can use that against them in November. More and more info will be coming out before the election and I would assume, much of it won't be good for trump as Bolton and Parnas continue leaking info.
