Trent.

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  1. Zach Collins Enthusiast

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    How about my man Gary Trent Jr?! The thing I like most about him: his defense. Very active, very good hands, seems to be taking pride in his defense.
    Also, don't discount my man ant just because Gary is playing well, it doesn't have to come at his expanse.
    And where is my man Nassir Little? Another very active defender
     
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    He measured better than i remembered pre draft.
    per NBA.com:
    "Possesses good size for a shooting guard. Measured 6’5.75 in shoes with a 6’8.75 wingspan at the NBA Draft Combine. "
     
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    I was the only one who predicted we draft him. Just sayin.
     
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    he was 6'4.25" w/o shoes though. And his wingspan was only an inch more than Dame. Used to be that 6'4 was on the short side for a SG but there are a lot of shorter SG's now. It's also possible he grew a little since those measurements
     
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    I was not high at all on him like most people here, and glad to be wrong.

    Of all the young players we were hyping going into the season, The guy nobody was talking about has been the best contributor.
     
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    Hmm, I thought most people weren't high on him.
     
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    KD Paired with Steph pretty good... Dwade and Lebron, I think most, “next level” teams have two guys who at the very least can have the offense go through them and handle the ball reliably.
     
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    Sometimes it’s all worth it.
     
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    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    That's what I'm saying yes
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yep... would be great to have a forward who can handle the ball. Like Nassir Little, for example. Or perhaps Wenyen Gabriel.
     
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    LOL....Curry & Durant; Lebron & DWade....Dame and CJ....there's a name there that has no business being there
     
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    Lebron! The Bum right!!!
     
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    it's one thing to
    two problems...one is that the offense doesn't go thru CJ with anything close to consistent. Much more often, the offense stops at CJ

    the 2nd problem is the two guys the offense go thru actually have to be good at isolation. That's not CJ..AT ALL

    * for instance, in isolation, Dame scores 1.1o points/possession. That ranks him in the 89th percentile
    * CJ is the opposite; he scores 0.83 ppp. That ranks him in 43rd percentile. Over 56% of the NBA is better than CJ at isolation

    * in PnR- ball handler, Dame scores 1.14 ppp. That ranks in the 97th percentile
    * in PnR- ball handler, CJ scores 0.91 ppp. That ranks him in the 69th percentile (Anfernee is as good as CJ with 0.91 ppp)

    * in handoffs, Dame scores 1.19 ppp which ranks in the 90th percentile
    * in handoffs, CJ scores 0.88 ppp which ranks in the 46th percentile (Bazemore scores 1.04 ppp)

    sorry folks, but CJ simply sucks at one-on-one and iso. He's overrated significantly because he's a clever ball-handler but all that clever ball-handling doesn't yield good results. CJ's TS% is .536 when the league average is about .550. He is in the 86th percentile in spot-up possessions, his best performance in a play type. So that means his TS% on those unassisted plays, about 64% of his plays, is even worse that .536

    his assisted FG rate shold be north of 60% rather than near 35%. He is not the guy that Portland should be running one-on-one offense thru as option 1b, and his goddamn dribbling needs to be cut down about 80%
     
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    Lol, I cannot believe you’re responding to that like Im unaware of the talent gap of CJ, and the others I named heh.
     
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    I probably shouldve made my posts green, but I thought it was really obvious. :)
     
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    your post was a trigger

    what I was really responding to was 4+ years of hearing how great it is that CJ can create his own offense, and how much Portland would miss what he does if he was traded or just replaced at starting SG. Portland would miss CJ's spot-up shooting, but that can be replaced. Portland would not miss CJ's low-efficiency one-on-one routine. It stalls the offense way too often.

    As a team, Portland averages 1.244 points/shot. Dame averages 1.456. Whiteside averages 1.475. Trent averages 1.22. Hood was averaging 1.337

    meanwhile, CJ averages 1.127 and Melo averages 1.103; Simons averages 1.088 (over last 7 games CJ at 1.047)

    when you look at those numbers and then look at FGA/game:

    Damian Lillard 20.5
    CJ McCollum 18.9
    Carmelo Anthony 13.8
    Hassan Whiteside 10.7
    Rodney Hood 8.2
    Anfernee Simons 8.2
    Gary Trent 5.7

    it sure looks like the Blazers are relying too much on players "creating their own shots". Dame does it with high efficiency; so does Whiteside. CJ-Melo-Simons, nope. The offense needs to change so shots are redistributed such that the more efficient scorers are taking more shots and the less efficient scorers are taking fewer
     
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    Im not even sure Dame, Whiteside create their own shot, they run a lot of screens for Dame he uses those to get himself and others looks, they dont post whiteside a lot he gets his points from out backs or good passes. Obviously Dame can break down a defender. The issue IMO with CJ and Melo and I guess Simons is that they’re scoring is usually not even part of an offense its ISO, dribble and dribble and back down in the case of Melo, it very rarely results in good looks for them or anyone else.
     
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    Remember when we use to say Bad Moe in reference to Moe Williams when that version of him played. That’s cj
     
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    The next time someone is as instrumental as CJ in helping Dame get us out of the 2nd round I will agree with this.
     
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