Politics Can Sanders beat Trump?

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  1. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Well, there's always the Azores.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    An American living abroad does not lose the right to vote. Also, living outside the U.S. doesn't mean that you might not like to come back. If you come back some day you might want a government with policies that you are attracted to. Also, if you feel strongly about abortion because you have a moral point of view then you might like to see someone in office who shares your views on the subject.

    My only point of contention with ABM on the subject of a woman's right to choose is two fold:
    1. Trump's view on the subject is strictly because he wants to votes of those who oppose abortion else he doesn't care one whit whether abortion is legal or not. He once held a view accepting abortion;
    2. Right or wrong, it's up to the affected woman to decide whether we like her decision or not. It's really none of our business what she does to her body to a point. The Supreme Court has decided that point to be when a fetus is 6 months old at which point abortion is really manslaughter unless there are certain extenuating circumstances such as where the woman's life is at stake.

    It's a tough subject where both sides have points that we should all respect.
     
  4. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    35% just doesn't look like a free fall to me.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Living outside the US as a dual citizen is one thing but selling everything you have and moving out of the US to another country is something else. Unless I'm mistaken, to be able to vote you still must have a residency in the US and there's also some other rules/laws pertaining to citizenship that I'd have to look up.
    My reply to abm was based purely on his response to barfo's post.
     
  7. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    You should be looking at a philosophy type. Warren and Sanders have a similar philosophy while Buttigieg, Biden, Klobuchar, Bloomberg and Steyer have similar philosophies. Lumping them that way gives the moderates a higher percentage approval than the Liberal Warren and Sanders philosophy.
     
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    1. Biden is already dead in the water - he can't campaign without insulting people. BUT
    2. Bloomberg hasn't even appeared on the ballot yet, so only a fool would make predictions about him now. Sure he's got a ton of cash, but so has Steyer, and he's spent it too, and it's done squat.
    3. Warren (whom the press are trying their hardest to pretend doesn't exist), Buttigieg and even Klobuchar have done better than Biden (or Bloomberg, of course).


    Those "some" consist of Republican trolls, hoping it'll scare their geriatric voters. And possibly just morons who don't know what the word means.
     
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    Just like Bush Sr. and Perot had a higher "Anti-Clinton" percentage approval than Bill, so he didn't get elected.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    It's OK. Bernie doesn't seem to mind.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...972-i-dont-mind-people-calling-me-a-communist
     
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    Hilarious.

    There could be a thousand candidates who share a similar “philosophy type”. Only one person can be dubbed President per election cycle, so it’s a worthless fucking metric. It literally means nothing. It’s another pathetic attempt at spin by the establishment media. They desperately need SOME way to make Bernie appear less of the obvious front runner, so they make up dumb ass graphics and pretend metrics to achieve their goal.
     
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    For real though, some of Bernie's stuff is borderline communism. The definition contains a lot of different things depending on what definition you want to go with but, Karl Marx advocated class wars, worker control, and taking away the power of the ruling class. It seems to me that many of his followers at least do want to engage in a class war with the ultra-rich, are working for worker-control and unionization. We can play with words and definitions all we want to call him a communist, a social democrat, a democrat, a socialist, whatever but that's all semantics at the end of the day. So you can call me a moron I don't really care, but his ideology is at the very least somewhere off on the side of large government spending, socializing things that are mostly privatized right now and at odds with the bourgeoisie. I'm not even really passing judgment on if those are good or bad things, but that's basically his platform or at least what most of his vocal online "base" seem to view as his platform.
     
  17. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Something you are trying to tell us here?

    barfo
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That's a good choice, the Azores are very nice. Do you speak Portuguese?

    barfo
     
  19. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Why are you leaving out delegate leading Buttigieg?
    And rising star Klobuchar?
     
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    Heh. It's kinda fun to watch you in action. You're kinda like a Cup-lite. ;)

    At any rate, sorry to hit your funny bone with the communist references. Certainly didn't mean to tickle your sabers.

    Well, yeah, while Bernie's most likely not a communist in the pure sense, he's certainly a lot more left-leaning that your every day American Democrat. So much so, I believe the party leaders will be doing all they can to keep him from becoming the nominee. Shoot, even Bill Clinton's guy, James Carville, calls him an ideologue. Funny stuff....

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/politics/bernie-sanders-james-carville-criticism/index.html
     

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