Politics Bernie vs Biden!

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  1. TorturedBlazerFan

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    I think Bernie is the extreme side of the left or at least who they have chosen to get behind. I dont know if it was stolen from him, I mean people had the chance to vote and voted for someone else. I do wonder though and I guess its a conspiracy theory, what would happen if the Democrats really got behind him. From the outside (Im obviously not a democrat), it does appear like the establishment of the democrats dont really like him, and by his own words he is going at them as well. Yet most democrats I know think his ideas are pretty good or at least worth talking (ok I havent polled all
    My friends but they seem to be concerned with similar issues as he is).
     
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    Well, as I alluded to in a previous post, almost by definition the "establishment" (which generally connotes the center of a particular organization) is not going to be in agreement with the extreme elements of that organization. Sanders embodies the left extreme of the Democratic party. I don't consider "extreme" to be a bad thing, just a geographic region of a spectrum. The median and the edge aren't going to be in agreement--on policy, but that bleeds out into the hazy concept of "electability." Because the mainstream Democratic party disagrees with Sanders on policy, they also feel that his policies won't be as popular.

    A lot of Democrats do like Sanders' policies, but even they are split on whether to support him because some of them aren't sure the rest of America (which has been characterized as a center-right nation) will embrace his policies and they want to win the election. You can't do much if you don't win.

    Similarly, a lot of Democratic House and Senate candidates who are running in "red states" may privately like Sanders' proposals (or they may not) but they certainly can't endorse them or him and hope to win in a conservative state. They also worry about running in a conservative state with Sanders at the top of the ticket, because it could draw out of a lot of angry/concerned conservatives to vote down Sanders and that could impact down-ballot Democrats.

    I don't necessarily agree with all these concerns, but those are roughly the reasons why his ideas could be popular or interesting to many Democrats and yet most of the Democratic establishment is against him. And most of the Democratic voters, for that matter.
     
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    I dont agree with a lot of his... ideologies(? Sorry Im not as articulate as the rest of you words are escaping me), I do find him interesting though and I do like that he’s got enough steam that the important thing he wants to talk about are being forced into the conversation. Extreme is often used as a bad word in politics, and when the extremes are its my way or hope you die a fiery death thats when it should be a bad word. When its my ideas only really work if we go all in then that kind of extreme isnt necessarily a bad thing, and often times its true. I wouldnt vote for him, which is I guess the problem he needs people to vote for him, but I applaud that he’s got ideas. That arent lets try to continue to make crony capitalism work and lets do health care by the goverment while still making health insurance companies happy, etc...
     
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    I could argue Sanders being in the race hurt Warren.

    Look, Black women are the most loyal sector of the Democratic party. South Carolina showed them solidly behind Biden. Other candidates tried to win their votes but we're largely unsuccessful. They saw the writing on the wall. Biden was pretty low on my preference list. I worked and voted for my preferred candidate. She didn't win. My realistic choice is a flawed man who is empathetic and will appoint sane competent people or an incompetent sociopath. Biden will never be a great president but he could be a decent one.
     
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    Well, the first source is a collage of undeniable videos. The second source is pure comedic relief. Take them for what they are.
     
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    Well, Biden has every opportunity to overcome that, does he not?
     
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    FIFY

    It seems sometimes that you have been replaced by @MARIS61 2.0.
     
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    Word.
     
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    He doesn't have to over come that.

    For one, other than your unproven dementia narrative, Biden is neither unqualified, deranged, vicious not a god emperor.
     
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    "Winning" needs to include winning both houses.
     
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    lol, i can only imagine you must be talking to that abm guy. Fortunately I no longer see either of their posts. :bgrin:
     
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    There is a very good reason so many people, including many in the Dem party, believe Sanders would lose the election, even against Trump.

    Sander's platform is a huge pile of lies, exaggerations, and misinformation. Bernie's plan would run out of funds and self destruct within 9 months, at best. And so would the country.

    On Biden's foggiest day, he is 10,000 times a better option than Sanders.
     
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    Actually, I think I'm talking at him.
     
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    Fill me in. I thought Hillary had actually won the popular vote in 2016. Plus, she's already spent 8 years in (the same) office with the guy.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/the-competing-strategies-of-bidens-vp-pick

    ....(Biden) is 77 years old and has worked in Washington for nearly his entire adult life. “The focus groups will start out saying, ‘He should pick a woman of color,’” a top adviser to a former 2020 contender says. “They will end with, ‘You know, he really should pick someone who could be president, because there’s a chance he could die.’ The way voters phrase it is, ‘Everybody I know is worried about Biden being old.’ Democrats have made their decision that they want somebody who can beat Trump. So they view choosing a V.P. not as checking a demographic box, but picking someone who can do the job on day one, if necessary, because that’s what Biden needs to do to win.”
     
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    Ummm, as you've pointed out more than once, the popular vote doesn't mean squat...once again, you cannot have it both ways.
     
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    That's a great observation about Bernie's policies being introduced to the discussion which I would think leads to a gradual migration toward those policies when they have logic behind them. I think his Medicare for all has logic behind it but it's gonna take a lot of discussion to get people to lean that way. Change happens the best when people support it otherwise politicians are doomed to political suicide.
    Think of Bernie as the advance guard. Too bad the advance guard is expendable.
     

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